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1. concor+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:44:19
> With all claims backed by citations of course, should anyone make unfounded accusations of bias.

Note that citations don't make bias impossible or claims true, they just make it easier to decide whether to trust information. E.g. If I cite the BBC in my statement and you trust the BBC you're more likely to trust my statement.

A lot of right wingers believe that most news sources (and particularly a lot of the ones the wikipedian collective thinks of as reliable) are grossly misleading or lying, so they won't be very convinced by, say, a Vogue citation.

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2. civili+I[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:48:36
>>concor+(OP)
We aren't talking about a situation where we disagree about which third parties are trustworthy, e.g. I am citing the BBC which you distrust. My claim is that Orlowski attacks Wikipedia because its content is sometimes disagreeable to him politically, and I have supported that claim with citations from Wikipedia which are direct links to Orlowski's own opinion columns.

Your point, while valid enough in general, is a red herring in this case.

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3. concor+O1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:53:54
>>civili+I
Fair enough. I like getting the opportunity to soap box too much to pass it up.
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4. denton+T1[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:54:32
>>concor+(OP)
> A lot of right wingers believe that most news sources are grossly misleading or lying

Not just right-wingers. With few exceptions, Wikipedia "reliable sources" are mostly mainstream media, which most lefties regard as locked-down, neo-liberal propaganda cannons.

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5. civili+V1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:54:39
>>concor+O1
This comment made me cackle. High-five :)
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6. Cthulh+hg[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:01:11
>>denton+T1
"the mainstream media" is a right-wing dogwhistle; their own media outlets is mainstream: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_C...
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7. concor+Ap[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:39:52
>>Cthulh+hg
It's also a term used by non-right wing people to mean, well, media that is mainstream as opposed to some small time youtuber.
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8. RockRo+U51[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 17:35:42
>>Cthulh+hg
Hahaha, no, it really isn't. Please stop muddying the waters with this bullshit
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