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1. Reacti+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-09-24 17:15:14
The laptop: "It’s an 11-year-old Thinkpad T420, a big ol’ thick brick of computation that I bought used a few years ago for $200."
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2. Eamonn+h2[view] [source] 2022-09-24 17:28:21
>>Reacti+(OP)
Could there be a more correct choice?
3. throwa+k2[view] [source] 2022-09-24 17:28:47
>>Reacti+(OP)
Sure, but it also works perfectly on modern equipment like the Zenbook I bought last year.
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4. f1refl+a3[view] [source] 2022-09-24 17:33:15
>>Reacti+(OP)
So it's the best kind of laptop available on the market!
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5. noirbo+r3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-09-24 17:34:46
>>throwa+k2
Meanwhile, my Framework Laptop that the Fedora OS team is specifically developing for has had busted microphone drivers for months.

It's all a little random on how well different internal components decide to play nice.

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6. idealm+c4[view] [source] 2022-09-24 17:39:04
>>Reacti+(OP)
My old workhorse T530 is now a home media center, and it's snappier than ever, even with KDE and all the window effects!
7. neilv+s4[view] [source] 2022-09-24 17:40:18
>>Reacti+(OP)
Good catch. The traditional problem (from the era before T420) is waiting for the kernel to catch up with the new hardware, for any kinks to be shaken out.

At one point, there was a joke, if you wanted some new hardware to work with Linux, the easiest way was to buy two of them, and give one to Alan Cox or similar.

Then Linux became mainstream, and you had dynamics like Lenovo wanting Linux to work well at launch of a new ThinkPad.

I don't know how that's holding up, now that we're back to a large percentage of developers who are using Windows for development, and all that brings in. Which relieves some of the commercial motivation to honestly support open source, as well as eroding technical savvy about what's secure/sustainable/etc.

(I'm guessing most developers don't understand why there was commercial embrace of open systems, and then of open source. It's partly cost, but also outright abuse and counterproductive dynamics. In some sense, we're coasting, reaping many of the benefits of past battles that got out of abusive situations, while setting up the next generation for abuse. Only, the next generation might have it worse: tech will be vastly more ubiquitous, complex, and mandated -- and perhaps impossible to dig themselves out of.)

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8. throwa+F4[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-09-24 17:41:48
>>noirbo+r3
Is it because of their switch from a realtek chip to tempo? It's broken on Windows too ... https://community.frame.work/t/no-driver-for-tempo-audio-chi...

All platforms have issues, especially with uncommon hardware combinations. But if you buy any mainstream device odds of it working in linux are probably similar to the odds of it working in windows.

For older hardware the odds are much better that it will work out of the box in linux.

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9. NavinF+b6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-09-24 17:50:16
>>throwa+F4
That forum thread you linked does not say microphone drivers are broken on Windows. The first reply sounds on point.

I'll add that all laptops produce noise on the headphone jack as the audio amplifier is preemptively switched on and off. Only difference is that it's normally just barely audible. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they just choose a crappy IC.

10. mrweas+ka[view] [source] 2022-09-24 18:18:50
>>Reacti+(OP)
Had it not died I would still have used my 2013 MacBook Pro. For many use cases computers stopped being slow a decade ago.

There are certainly things I can do on my new laptop that was a major hassle on the old one, but web browsing, Python development and day to day sys admin stuff was perfectly fine on the old machine.

For me it's all about the screen, an 11 year old ThinkPad most certainly have a terrible screen (it might not, but most do). Getting a clear hi-dpi monitor is more important than having the latest CPU, GPU or 32GB of RAM, at least for my needs.

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11. erikpu+db[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-09-24 18:23:15
>>mrweas+ka
I’ve been buying MacBook Airs of the 2011-2013 vintage for 10 years. Love them.

I have to disable third party JavaScript, and I have to be careful what software I install, but I love this machine.

I will probably upgrade to an M1/M2 for my next machine, but it’s because of software not hardware. The software, after 10 years, is finally starting to be bloated enough that I feel like I might need more soon.

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12. loeg+um[view] [source] 2022-09-24 19:49:18
>>Reacti+(OP)
The T420 is old enough that even FreeBSD works well on it.
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13. bxpark+3q[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-09-24 20:21:12
>>erikpu+db
Installed latest Mint MATE (based on Ubuntu 22.04) on a MacBook Air 11 2015. Linux has a lot of rough edges on the MacBook Air, definitely not boring, it but works well enough for my needs:

* No fan control out of the box, so CPU overheats after a new minutes. Fixed by installing a 3rd party fan control package.

* Broken sleep. Always wakes up 2-3 seconds after putting to sleep. Fixed by a series of hacks to disable the keyboard and lid while sleeping. Only the Power button is able to wake it up now.

* Display brightness setting lost after sleep. Always wakes up at 100%.

* Webcam does not work. There is no compatible driver from what I understand.

* Two-finger scroll is awful on Linux, compared to the buttery smooth scroll of MacOS.

* Poor battery life compared to MacOS, I estimate about 25% less.

* It can be tricky to figure out how the Mac keys are mapped to normal Linux keys: Alt, Option, Command. Also tricky to figure out how to remap them so that they are more usable on Linux.

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14. leiden+DV[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-09-25 01:33:49
>>erikpu+db
I bought an M1 Pro a month ago. While I kinda miss linux, I do not miss x86 at all.

Seriously, going back from a performant arm64 to x86 feels like going back to the POWER architecture all over again. Big bloated chips where every little computation generates a lot of heat and you need big fans to dissipate all of it.

I wish I could do the same, although in the lower end, with my Raspberry Pi 4. Sadly, those laptop cases for the RPi are too expensive, if you include shipping, to justify them.

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15. leiden+GV[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-09-25 01:35:09
>>bxpark+3q
Weird, I installed Asahi on my M1 Pro and while the two finger scroll isn't butty smooth as MacOS, it works well enough and already better than in any Thinkpad touchpad.
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