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> Much of the original hardware bring-up was done by Ubuntu Touch. Mobian developers built the telephony stack via their eg25-manager project. And in my role for the postmarketOS distribution, I developed the camera stack.

> Manjaro Linux has been largely absent from these efforts.

> In some cases the Manjaro involvement actually causes extra workload for the developers by shipping known broken versions of software and pointing to the developers for support. Which is why https://dont-ship.it/ was started.

Other distributions like Mobian and Ubuntu Touch are miles ahead that broken thing that Pine chose to adopt as their default distro.

When I got my PinePhone, nothing was working, not even the home screen! So I looked for help on the forums and people were like "LOL no one uses that, just install Mobian or Ubuntu Touch". I tried both, and they were actually pretty OK, I could more or less daily drive the PinePhone!

I think the main reason people repeat that the PinePhone is not ready for use as a daily driver, is that the default distro is completely broken. Pine64 are shooting themselves in the foot in a spectacular way.

>>mastaz+(OP)
"Other distributions like Mobian and Ubuntu Touch are miles ahead that broken thing that Pine chose to adopt as their default distro."

I really like Manjaro - on my desktop. So initially I was very happy that they went with it, but since manjaro is desktop focused - it is a great mystery WHY the choosed it at all and not indeed went with Mobian and co?

>>hutzli+j3
oh yes, the problem is not Manjaro itself, it's the particular version of Manjaro that is used on PinePhone. I heard good things about Manjaro itself and I have no doubts that it's a good distro!

yes, I really don't understand why they chose to ship that half-baked mess. I get it, PinePhone is for "techies" and the average user knows how to change distro, but the default should be functional. System 76 or Purism laptops don't come with broken distros ¯\_(ツ)_/¯