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This is exactly how 3rd party apps and clients will be locked out of the services they depend on. In a world where AR and "metaverse" platforms take off, this will ensure that they're accessed only from approved clients.

This is also how OS, app distributors and platforms will ensure that they get their 30%+ cut of all revenue generated using their products, as well.

Similarly, this is how OS providers will ensure that apps built for their platforms can't run on other operating systems. You already can't run SafetyNet-enabled Android apps on other platforms despite Android support existing on Android and Linux.

>>heavys+(OP)
We've gone from open Windows and Linux PCs where you could install anything to walled gardens everywhere.

We need to bring the giants down to a level playing field and stop this nonsense.

>>heavys+(OP)
Windows* and Linux, not Android and Linux.

>>echelo+ua
Completely agree. How could such a thing be achieved?

>>matheu+1b
legislation of openness (of protocols used) and interoperability. In the same vein that reverse engineering a compatible, competing product is protected by law.

outlaw any use of methods to which clients are discriminated against, including using remote attestation to do so. Similar language has been used in the DMCA legislation to similar effects (aka, software circumvention).

>>matheu+1b
You probably don't want to hear this, but one way it could happen is the Russians will get locked out of all this stuff because of sanctions, so they'll have to create their own separate open world. Yandex will build the open platform like they are releasing big language models and are not scared of the consequences of the bad people, like the Russians, getting ahold of them. Yes, the open platform will be lame compared to what the majors are offering, but Linux on the Desktop was never spectacular either.

>>matheu+1b
Anti-trust enforcement.

While there is a need for complex criteria, there is also a need for something simple to base enforcement on.

The simple criteria should be something like having more than some number of customers/users gets you automatic scrutiny and forces you to have things like customer service people along with government required metrics (10K-type things) and some larger number of customers/users forces you to break up.

It's the uncontrolled aggregations of users and data that are the problem.

>>heavys+(OP)
This is a fairly popular take around here, but is it compatible with the EU’s new DMA? It seems if anything legislation is moving in the opposite direction of strengthened walled gardens.

They just made it illegal to forbid sideloading for example. On its face it’s going to be illegal for Apple/Android to use attestation to lock down their devices further, indeed they are now legally required to open up in the EU.

Maybe they would go in one direction in the US and the opposite outside? Seems unlikely to me though…

>>thepti+fd
I don't know. What's happening now with Android apps is that sideloading works just fine, it's just that SafetyNet apps refuse to work on other platforms like Windows, Linux or even un-blessed Android distributions. I don't know how compatible that is with EU legislation, or if technicalities like that side step it or not.

> Maybe they would go in one direction in the US and the opposite outside? Seems unlikely to me though…

Companies seem to have no problem conforming to particular legal regimes all over the world and not importing/exporting them elsewhere. I believe companies will try everything in their power to protect their cash cows in the US for as long as they possibly can.

>>narrat+Ac
> You probably don't want to hear this

Why? Part of what you said is something I already believe in. I think it's only a matter of time before the international network we enjoyed in the early days of the internet is destroyed by governments and their eternal struggle to impose their own incompatible laws on it. One day the internet will fracture into several regional networks with well delimited and filtered borders.

I for one am glad to have known the internet. It was truly one of the most wonderful creations of humanity.

>>narrat+Ac
China is already creating their own world and it's even worse.

>>narrat+Ac
You should read about North Korea's linux distro if you believe that they will be forced to create an open computing world.