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1. willci+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-07-15 15:28:55
> when you argued with this:

did you forget something here?

> If you believe that it's not for a majority of experts are not to decide, and a majority of laymen are not to decide, and a majority of Americans are not to decide, then who do you think should make the decision?

Democracy. In our system of government we elect leaders, those leaders are responsible to the people who have elected them. This has been sidestepped in recent decades by appointing experts who have the ability to use the force of law without explicit congressional approval. This is unconstitutional and the supreme court in the past year has twice affirmed this view[0][1]. We can't allow our leaders to hide behind people that they themselves have appointed when those appointees make choices that may have disastrous consequences.

> most people understand that the CDC is a normal org like any other, or indeed, like any normal person, which tries its best to do what it can with what it has, and aren't expected to be able to predict the future

Funny they didn't mention that while making proclamations from on high. "I did my best" is of little comfort to someone harmed by their choices.

[0]https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/21a23_ap6c.pdf

[1]https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf

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2. ImPost+qo[view] [source] 2022-07-15 17:29:02
>>willci+(OP)
> Democracy. In our system of government we elect leaders, those leaders are responsible to the people who have elected them

that is precisely what happened, and what has been happening, and the result is still that neither most voters nor most voters' elected representatives believe that the trade-offs made constituted poor judgement

> This has been sidestepped in recent decades by appointing experts who have the ability to use the force of law without explicit congressional approval.

most americans would not agree with this framing or sentiment, as we are fine with our elected representatives delegating some of their power, given how slowly and infrequently congress can act

> This is unconstitutional and the supreme court in the past year has twice affirmed this view

to some degree, recently, yes, but not all delegated authority is unconstitutional

> We can't allow our leaders to hide behind people that they themselves have appointed when those appointees make choices that may have disastrous consequences.

We don't believe that is happening at all, neither the hiding, nor the disastrous consequences

> "I did my best" is of little comfort to someone harmed by their choices

pithy witticisms are of little use in convincing the country that people or organizations should be judged for not acting based on knowledge they didn't have at the time of the action being judged

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