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> The world will look back on these years as collective insanity.

I'm a biochemist, and I can assure you that scientists have been dismayed at the collective insanity since around March 2020, but we're definitely not dismayed at the same things as you are.

>>epgui+(OP)
I had a sign at my university entrance asking a vaccine status or current test as a "negative proof for covid19". As in your vaccine status proofs you dont have covid19.

Any scientist who isnt deeply ashamed of this should really get the money for their degree back.

Pretending that vaccines are in any way safer then or as safe as actual tests is simply horrific.

>>cf141q+Xt
The word “proof” in that context just doesn’t mean what you think it means. It’s an administrative context, not a scientific context. It’s not that hard to understand.

>>epgui+Dm4
Apparently i am a bit slow. Please do elaborate, i am really curious how your vaccine status can be used to verify that there is no indication for a covid infection.

>>cf141q+wT4
It has nothing to do with biology. The word “proof” in this context just refers to the administrative document required to access the service or location you want to access. It’s purely an administrative construct, and it has nothing to do with “proving”, logically or scientifically speaking, that you are not infected.

>>epgui+S25
It is quite the brain acrobatics to focus on it not being a test, duh, but a document. The point is what this document is supposed to document. And that is there being no indication, that you are infected with COVID.

The term is actually well defined, especially what is supposed to be documented by it. I am German and they borrowed it straight from the government regulation. The "Negativnachweis" https://www.rv.hessenrecht.hessen.de/bshe/document/jlr-Coron...

>(1) Soweit nach dieser Verordnung der Nachweis zu führen ist, dass keine Anhaltspunkte für eine Infektion mit dem SARS-CoV-2-Virus vorliegen (Negativnachweis), kann dies erfolgen durch

>(1) >If, according to this regulation, proof must be provide that there are no indications of infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus (negative proof), this can be done by...

And you being vaccinated with a leaky vaccine doesnt mean there is no indication you are infected. Not in any way. This is misinformation that actually kills, because it allows COVID to spread. And its not information spread by some morons who drink bleach but by the government and quite literally taped to the doors of the figurative house of science. Because people lack the integrity to call out bullshit for what it is.

>>cf141q+475
This is the last time I’ll entertain you on this line of comment:

the gold standard test to see if someone is infected with sars-cov-2 would involve doing sequencing of a sample from the airways and potentially also stools. A PCR test is close enough, for the sake of argument.

Good luck trying to do these tests every time you want to allow someone in a building. The task is to find another requirement that is of practical value: go.

>>epgui+S85
I am hard pressed to assume that you are unaware that the tests we are talking about here are lateral flow tests. And while their accuracy is a lot worse then PCR tests, it is still a far far better indicator for whether you are infected then your vaccine status. Just compare the lateral flow test accuracy with the vaccine efficiency at preventing infecting others.

It is really quite simple. Nobody with any knowledge on the topic can in good conscience say that you can use the fact that you are vaccinated with a leaky vaccine as an indicator for not being infected. That is quite simply not how the COVID vaccines work. This is extremly dangerous misinformation. And due to the fact who spreads it, a lot more dangerous then any boogeymen of idiots drinking bleach. Focusing on those caricatures and ignoring misinformation spread by officials is utterly irresponsible and evidence for a lack of scientific integrity.

>>cf141q+X67
> Nobody with any knowledge on the topic

Respectfully, this is my area of expertise, and you're in the potatoes.