zlacker

Actually excellent observation (ignoring agency of Ukraine as an independent nation state). First time that I see it in on English speaking forums.

It's common russian rhetoric those days: they flat out deny that Ukraine is an independent state. It comes in a few variants

- After 2014 Ukraine doesn't have legitimate government therefor they are not a state

- Ukraine was never a state, it's just mistake

- Ukraine is just a project of communist party after 1917 revolution and it failed

- Ukraine is managed by USA/Anglo-Saxons/Collective West, hence it's not a real state

- Mix of above

It's also rather common instead of writing Ukraine to write 404

>>tguvot+(OP)
Ukraine was never an independent state. First it was a Russian puppet. Then the US couped it and it became a US puppet. When the US topples your government, installs their hand picked leader, and then arms and trains your military, you don't really get to say you are a sovereign nation just because you may have had another election or two since then.