zlacker

> this is unfortunately common knowledge

This reminds me of Voltaire: "Common sense is not so common."

Thanks for the great comment—everything you say makes perfect sense and is even obvious in hindsight, but it's the kind of thing that tends to be known by grizzled infrastructure veterans who had good mentors in their chequered past—and not so much by the rest of us.

I fear getting karmically smacked for repeating this too often, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like 8 hours of downtime is not an unreasonable price to pay for this lesson. The opportunity cost of learning it beforehand would have been high as well.

>>dang+(OP)
> it's the kind of thing that tends to be known by grizzled infrastructure veterans who had good mentors in their chequered past

And thanks right back at you.

I hadn't noticed before your comment that while not in the customary way (I'm brown skinned and was born into a working class family) I've got TONS of "privilege" in other areas. :D

My life would probably be quite different if I didn't have active Debian and Linux kernel developers just randomly be the older friends helping me in my metaphorical "first steps" with Linux.

Looking back 20+ years ago, I lucked into an absurdly higher than average "floor" when I started getting serious about "computery stuff". Thanks for that. That's some genuine "life perspective" gift you just gave me. I'm smiling. :) I guess it really is hard to see your own privilege.

> 8 hours of downtime is not an unreasonable price to pay for this lesson. The opportunity cost of learning it beforehand would have been high as well.

100% agree.

I'd even say the opportunity cost would have been much higher. Additionally, 8hrs of downtime is still a great "score", depending on the size of the HN organization. (bad 'score' if it's >100 people. amazing 'score' if it's 1-5 people.)

>>dang+(OP)
> it's the kind of thing that tends to be known by grizzled infrastructure veterans who had good mentors in their chequered past—and not so much by the rest of us

This is why your systems should be designed by grizzled infrastructure veterans.

>>pmoria+ou
That reminds me of Jerry Weinberg's dictum: whenever you hear the word "should" on a software project, replace it with "isn't".

>>590075

>>dang+zZ1
That goes along with "almost never" which is a synonym for "sometimes" and "maintenance-free" which is a synonym for "throw it out and buy a new one when it breaks".

>>dang+zZ1
This is brilliant and I suspect generalises to "won't" when reading RFCs.

>>kqr+ui5
"Almost never" -> "more often than you would want"