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We did this on ourselves. As everyone was laughing at Internet Explorer, another behemoth was overtaking IE and nothing was in their way.

Mozilla (Firefox) was our chance for something different. They were ahead of IE once but they watched on and did nothing whilst they had their pockets lined up with Google's money and allowed them (Google) to overtake everyone and now everyone is complaining about it. It even goes back before Chrome was a thing when the Mozilla CEO declared that they could move away from depending on Google's money. [0] Now 14+ years later, they are still unable to do so.

Since then it is only Google (Chrome) and Apple (Safari) again, just like for Android and iOS. All other attempts at stopping them was a complete failure like Firefox OS was and now Mozilla and Firefox are the ones fizzling out of existence as they are unable to make money as the majority of users are running to Chrome, Brave, Edge and Vivaldi.

It is no wonder websites are beginning to not only break on Firefox, but also tell or block users from their web apps to instead use Chrome.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.compu...

>>rvz+(OP)
What was Mozilla supposed to do? Google could advertise their browser to everyone who used Google Search, just like how Microsoft could with Windows. Mozilla did not have any products with that kind of reach.

>>rvz+(OP)
I can't remember the last time I saw a website that was broken specifically on Firefox, maybe like 2009 era perhaps?

>>smcleo+S2
Google Earth

>>Tremen+z3
I didn't realise that was even still a thing!

That seems like it'd be google nerfing other browsers, they're pretty anticompetitive. If it doesn't work in FF and is still maintained I bet if you change the browser identity to pretend it's chrome it'd probably work.

>>Tremen+z3
I just tried it in FF and it works fine

System requirements for Google Earth

- Google Chrome 67, Firefox 63, Edge 79, or Safari 11.

- Make sure that you turn on hardware acceleration.

But I do know that Apple Business Manager wont run - not sure why as it seems to be a fairly basic interface and says Firefox is supported, but yea I have to use Chrome for that

>>smcleo+S2
Youtube was extremely slow on firefox a few years back, because of non-standard web technologies designed by google for chrome A lot of video conferencing software is also purposely broken on firefox (slack, teams etc...) others like whereby work fine, but slack and teams are both massive

>>joshua+d2
It's not what Mozilla was supposed to do, it's what we here were supposed to do. Everyone here should have switched to Firefox already. That would make a difference in the long run by both direct and indirect effects. Just hunker down, do your part and eat your spinach already.

>>bennyp+t4
It works mostly fine now, but when the web version was released it wouldn't even allow you to use Firefox, and straight up pointed you to Chrome.

>>smcleo+S2
I have a website that relies on a quirk of Chrome’s rendering, which leads to scrolling not being handled the way I want in Firefox.

Browser compatibility bugs absolutely exist.

See https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues for some more examples.

>>rvz+(OP)
Firefox is one of the example of what happened to open software during the last decade, user experience wise it stagnated.

Really close to gnome 3 spirit, it continuously removed user features and personnalisation.

Gnome 3 really epitomized that but it's a general trend of linux on desktop catching up to proprietary os in first 2 decades culminating with the bonus coolness of compiz fusion.

And then the 2010-2020 were most of the time was spend changing the technologies (removing XUL,going to system-d,wayland) and the user experience suffered.

I think open software has a special responsibility to empower users not only through programming but also through their interface, it can be extension or extensive settings but it has to.

It ends up making more practical, feature reach software and open source needs that because we don't always all the resources to make the most polished software.

>>smcleo+S2
BNP bank site rarely but regularly breaks on FF (just shows white screen). At least one payment processor had disabled input fields, so not working. At least two railway portlas in two different countries effectively didn't work for some time because station dropdowns were broken and you couldn't proceed next without selecting. Just today I found a bug in Jira, when external integrations don't work on FF. Stadia doesn't work on FF by design. Skype web doesn't work on FF by design. Streaming services block streaming high def stream to FF because it lacks DRM unlike Chrome clones.

All of this I saw in the last few years, some of that is still valid today.

>>smcleo+S2
Until recently[1], jitsi was not working properly on Firefox.

Which was very frustrating given they are both free software :(

1: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758#issuecomment...

>>smcleo+S2
You usually can't tell they are broken until you get to the last part of a multi-part checkout process.

>>joshua+d2
For one, Mozilla could start empowering the user again instead of trying to ape Chrome in every way. If the only reason anyone would want to use Firefox is to prevent Chrome from being the only browser then that is on Mozilla.

>>Tremen+z3
Seems fine in Firefox (102) to me.