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1. rpmism+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-05-23 23:09:18
It's an unfortunate reflection of reality. There are three possible outcomes:

1. The model provides a reflection of reality, as politically inconvenient and hurtful as it may be.

2. The model provides an intentionally obfuscated version with either random traits or non correlative traits.

3. The model refuses to answer.

Which of these is ideal to you?

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2. slg+F1[view] [source] 2022-05-23 23:20:53
>>rpmism+(OP)
What makes you think those are the only options? Why can't we have an option that the model returns a range of different outputs based off a prompt?

A model that returns 100% of nurses as female might be statistically more accurate than a model that returns 50% of nurses as female, but it is still not an accurate reflection of the real world. I agree that the model shouldn't return a male nurse 50% of the time. Yet an accurate model needs to be able to occasionally return a male nurse without being directly prompted for a "male nurse". Anything else would also be inaccurate.

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3. rpmism+Q1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-23 23:22:06
>>slg+F1
So, the model should have a knowledge of political correctness, and return multiple results if the first choice might reinforce a stereotype?
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4. slg+G2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-23 23:29:24
>>rpmism+Q1
I never said anything about political correctness. You implied that you want a model that "provides a reflection of reality". All nurses being female is not "a reflection of reality". It is a distortion of reality because the model doesn't actually understand gender or nurses.
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5. rpmism+lv[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-24 04:14:57
>>slg+G2
A majority of nurses are women, therefore a woman would be a reasonable representation of a nurse. Obviously that's not a helpful stereotype, because male nurses exist and face challenges due to not fitting the stereotypes. The model is dumb, and outputs what it's seen. Is that wrong?
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6. webmav+XN7[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-26 08:21:45
>>rpmism+lv
It isn't wrong, but we aren't talking about the model somehow magically transcending the data it's seen. We're talking about making sure the data it sees is representative, so the results it outputs are as well.

Given that male nurses exist (and though less common, certainly aren't rare), why has the model apparently seen so few?

There actually is a fairly simple explanation: because the images it has seen labelled "nurse" are more likely from stock photography sites rather than photos of actual nurses, and stock photography is often stereotypical rather than typical.

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