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1. jonny_+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-05-23 21:53:37
> But is it a flaw that the model encodes the world as it really is

Does a bias towards lighter skin represent reality? I was under the impression that Caucasians are a minority globally.

I read the disclaimer as "the model does NOT represent reality".

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2. tines+R1[view] [source] 2022-05-23 22:03:51
>>jonny_+(OP)
Well first, I didn't say caucasian; light-skinned includes Spanish people and many others that caucasian excludes, and that's why I said the former. Also, they are a minority globally, but the GP mentioned "Western stereotypes", and they're a majority in the West, so that's why I said "in the west" when I said that there are more light-skinned people.
3. fnordp+e2[view] [source] 2022-05-23 22:05:58
>>jonny_+(OP)
Worse these models are fed from media sourced in a society that tells a different story of reality than reality actually has. How can they be accurate? They just reflect the biases of our various medias and arts. But I don’t think there’s any meaningful resolution in the present other than acknowledging this and trying to release more representative models as you can.
4. ma2rte+n5[view] [source] 2022-05-23 22:23:59
>>jonny_+(OP)
Caucasians are overrepresented in internet pictures.
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5. pxmpxm+W8[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-23 22:47:28
>>ma2rte+n5
This, I would imagine this heavily correlates to things like income and gdp per capita.
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6. jonny_+C9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-23 22:51:58
>>ma2rte+n5
Right, that's the likely cause of the bias.
7. nearbu+KL[view] [source] 2022-05-24 05:06:45
>>jonny_+(OP)
I don't think we'd want the model to reflect the global statistics. We'd usually want it to reflect our own culture by default, unless it had contextual clues to do something else.

For example, the most eaten foods globally are maize, rice, wheat, cassava, etc. If it always depicted foods matching the global statistics, it wouldn't be giving most users what they expected from their prompt. American users would usually expect American foods, Japanese users would expect Japanese foods, etc.

> Does a bias towards lighter skin represent reality? I was under the impression that Caucasians are a minority globally.

Caucasians specifically are a global minority, but lighter skinned people are not, depending of course on how dark you consider skin to be "lighter skin". Most of the world's population is in Asia, so I guess a model that was globally statistically accurate would show mostly people from there.

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