zlacker

> But is it a flaw that the model encodes the world as it really is

I want to be clear here, bias can be introduced at many different points. There's dataset bias, model bias, and training bias. Every model is biased. Every dataset is biased.

Yes, the real world is also biased. But I want to make sure that there are ways to resolve this issue. It is terribly difficult, especially in a DL framework (even more so in a generative model), but it is possible to significantly reduce the real world bias.

>>godels+(OP)
> Every dataset is biased.

Sure, I wasn't questioning the bias of the data, I was talking about the bias of the real world and whether we want the model to be "unbiased about bias" i.e. metabiased or not.

Showing nurses equally as men and women is not biased, but it's metabiased, because the real world is biased. Whether metabias is right or not is more interesting than the question of whether bias is wrong because it's more subtle.

Disclaimer: I'm a fucking idiot and I have no idea what I'm talking about so take with a grain of salt.

>>tines+S2
Please be kinder to yourself. You need to be your own strongest advocate, and that's not incompatible with being humble. You have plenty to contribute to this world, and the vast majority of us appreciate what you have to offer.

>>john_y+n6
Agreed. They are valid points clearly stated and a valuable contribution to the discussion.