Also people completely dissing other groups as being a bunch of incompetent wannabes because the speaker does not appreciate the full details of their actual work conditions. I tend to join new orgs every two or three years, but in the same large companies, and so many times I have joined an “underperforming” group to help them with a “turn around” only to find the group an intelligent and heroic group dealing with crazy conditions, with fixes they all well knew but which required a persistent long term effort, that management wouldn’t agree to.