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1. gruez+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-01-09 05:18:39
>That's antithetical to software freedom. Regular users who want to use un-Notarized software are left frightened and without having their needs met.

It's easy to argue "give me software freedom or give me death!" if you're a technically competent user that probably won't fall for a trojan, but what about everyone else? Don't you think there's a reasonable argument to locking down systems to improve security? To be clear, I'm not arguing for sacrificing software freedom wholesale for security, only in default configurations.

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2. wiz21c+ab[view] [source] 2022-01-09 07:30:27
>>gruez+(OP)
The argument doesn't hold. It uses the 99.9% of the users to crack down on the 0.1% (the devs) who have the ability to redefine what software is. Doing so, the big companies make sure they have the ability to rule their ecosystem. Using the argument of security, I'm sure they'll have the go from the governments.

So why would a company want total control on its ecosystem ? Because government don't want social unrest. So if you can ensure your platform is free of "terrorist", then you can discuss with government better. For example, if you're secure, you can position yourself as a reliable player on banking, e-health, etc. That is, you gain a very strong position to shape society in ways you're interested in. Don't forget that big companies have the power to do that and that those who command them are not required to be benevolent. They are private companies so there's no oversight on which interest they serve first.

It's not all doom and gloom though . As computer gets into our lives, more and more government and parliaments will become aware of the issue and there will be a place to fight for our rights. It's already the case.

The only thing that matter is : a computer is a general purpose machine and must stay a "general purpose" machine.

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3. JCWasm+Vd[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-09 08:00:11
>>wiz21c+ab
> The only thing that matter is : a computer is a general purpose machine and must stay a "general purpose" machine.

Fully agreed. This is the most important point. No company or vendor should prevent me from running the software I want, in the way I want, be it modified for my own purposes or not.

Sure, if you only look onto the security side it may be more secure if you can only run approved software, but it is in no circumstances okay to reduce the freedom of a user on his/her private machine. (In a business setting it makes sense to only allow software approved by the IT-Department)

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4. 0dayz+Pn[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-09 09:51:15
>>wiz21c+ab
This rhetoric about evil """the government""" spying on you because terrorists is at this point quite out of date or even stale.

I'm far more worried about companies locking things down due to legitimate concern (security) with malicious intent.

Than being arrested for being mistaken for osama bin laden because I decided to grow a beard.

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5. gruez+421[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-09 16:01:59
>>wiz21c+ab
>The argument doesn't hold. It uses the 99.9% of the users to crack down on the 0.1% (the devs) who have the ability to redefine what software is.

I'm not sure what the "crack down" is when you can disable it fairly easily.

>So why would a company want total control on its ecosystem ? Because government don't want social unrest.

You'd think that if they want to suppress uprisings, the mechanism they use to do so will be slightly more robust than a setting in the developer options.

>The only thing that matter is : a computer is a general purpose machine and must stay a "general purpose" machine.

How is this related to what we're talking about? What gatekeeper/smartscreen is doing is effectively operating a whitelist system. The platform itself is still open, and you could still do whatever you want before. What's more is that you can disable the system, so I'm not seeing what the issue is.

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