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1. jjcm+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-12-16 17:48:38
I've been using Win11 now for about a week (so take this with a grain of salt) and one positive I've noticed has been a far better UX. OSX has made a ton of leaps and bounds for optimizing controls for how you use your computer, and it felt like windows 10 was lagging behind quite a bit in the last year. Windows 11 addressed a lot of these grievances.

Browser overrides like this are definitely in the negative UX column, but better bluetooth controls, a new consolidated settings panel, and smoother window management are all positives for me. FWIW I haven't hit a situation where I've been forced into edge (yet).

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2. Guilla+N[view] [source] 2021-12-16 17:51:58
>>jjcm+(OP)
The new taskbar UX is a huge downgrade compared to my "always ungrouped" taskbar in Windows 10, hope the add it back before I'm forced to upgrade.
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3. AnIdio+y2[view] [source] 2021-12-16 17:58:18
>>jjcm+(OP)
Would you mind outlining specifics? All I see are the current tends of tabletization continuing.
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4. soco+I2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 17:59:00
>>Guilla+N
StartIsBack gives you back the left-side placement, drag&drop and grouping.
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5. zamada+k6[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 18:15:00
>>AnIdio+y2
UX Things I've liked about this upgrade cycle on my desktop setup:

- More snap zones and ways to trigger snap

- Snap zones can be pulled up or switched to as a group

- More things moved in the Settings app

- Settings app is now uses a more traditional left pane navigation instead of a list of large boxes for touch

- Window layouts better remember and adapt to monitor changes (such as unplugging from an TV)

- AutoHDR

- Separate wallpapers to different virtual desktops (makes remembering where you are easier)

- Defaults to the new Windows Terminal

Some of the other changes (mica, new start menu, new context menu, rounded window look, new themes, taskbar tray area changes, variable Segoe UI, new Store, widgets) I'd call a wash. They are there and changed but overall I can't say any have been particularly noticeable or helpful like the above items.

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6. judge2+Yi[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:08:48
>>zamada+k6
The new context menu should improve things over time since it forces IExplorerCommand usage, which only allows in-process command logic so there should be no more UI hangs when someone has 20+ context menu entries (even if the command options end up lazy-loading in).

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2021/07/19/extend...

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/shortcu...

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/127365#issuecomme...

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7. tentac+2m[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:24:09
>>zamada+k6
> Settings app is now uses a more traditional left pane navigation instead of a list of large boxes for touch

Serious question: why didn't they just do this in the first place? It can't be hard to check if the user has a touch input and dynamically resize buttons / list items, then size them back down when the user is done. They do exactly this for "Tablet mode"[0] in Windows 10.

This, and the pitch black dark mode that honestly looks dreadful on non-OLED, makes me think they don't really take customisation into much consideration.

[0]: https://www.howtogeek.com/221973/what-is-tablet-mode-in-wind...

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8. tyingq+gw[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 20:11:02
>>soco+I2
You can do the left-side placement with just Windows 11. There's a "taskbar alignment" setting that can be "left" or "center".
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9. zamada+lO[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 21:42:53
>>tentac+2m
I can see minimizing changes to the interface across devices as being good but as to why they didn't do this compromise of larger navigation entries instead of full touch first I'm not sure but it would have saved so much grief. It might have had to do with Windows Phone still being a thing at the time.

Regarding dark theme the dark app background is 12.5% gray and the lighter offset backgrounds are 17.5% gray. If it appears pitch black it's not because the theme is made for OLEDs rather your displays are miscalibrated and completely crushing blacks. If you enable transparency effects the color of your background will blend with these and raise/lower them accordingly.

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10. NickNa+VS[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:06:12
>>zamada+k6
Does the win11 settings app still have ads for 'bing points'?
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11. zamada+wV[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:22:47
>>NickNa+VS
It's not plastered in the default view anymore but I still see the "rewards" button if I navigate to the account section: https://i.imgur.com/IWBkaEJ.png
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12. soco+wZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:48:31
>>tyingq+gw
It's not "a setting" but an obscure registry entry. And have you actually tried it? I did and it's a joke - you get the taskbar there but no icons on it lol. And how about drag and drop? Or grouping?
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13. tyingq+C91[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 23:51:03
>>soco+wZ
For me, it's a setting, and yes, I tried it and it works: https://imgur.com/a/QSxE92W

I didn't mention the other two things because they aren't available settings. I mentioned the one that is, because I thought it might be helpful.

Aside: Why do people jump to snark so fast?

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14. tentac+Wb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 00:07:19
>>zamada+lO
> Regarding dark theme the dark app background is 12.5% gray and the lighter offset backgrounds are 17.5% gray. If it appears pitch black it's not because the theme is made for OLEDs rather your displays are miscalibrated and completely crushing blacks.

Hmm, are you sure about this? From a quick search, I'm able to find plenty of people complaining about the dark background being pitch black[0] (there's also a Feedback Hub item linked in there, not able to open it as I'm on Linux). I might be wrong, but I am fairly sure my display is not mis-calibrated, as I actually spent a lot of time calibrating it when it got here (have only had it a handful of months). The only downside of the monitor is that blacks really smear when you move them around, whereas dark greys are substantially better.

That's one of the reasons I really dislike the pitch black mode, anyway. It also just looks horrible on anything that isn't AMOLED, IMO.

> If you enable transparency effects the color of your background will blend with these and raise/lower them accordingly.

That's only for surfaces with blur enabled though, like the sidebar in Settings or the taskbar. Non-blurred surfaces are pitch black.

[0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/6nzs34/any_way_t...

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15. soco+so1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 01:31:53
>>tyingq+C91
I can't comment about other people but to me the reply felt like denying my personal experience of those three frustrations (because yes I am frustrated with W11) of which two seemed ignored and one presented with a solution which I already tried to no avail. If you had acknowledged the other two in the initial answer (like in a "at least for position..."), I'm very sure I wouldn't have reacted. Small things can make or break...

Now the aside being put aside, I have no idea why you have a setting and I don't, as I'm on the latest updates. Could be that Microsoft is doing some A/B testing? And is the left positioned taskbar working fine for you? I still won't switch until at least drag&drop comes back but it would be a glimmer of hope.

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16. sorry_+2v1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 02:33:44
>>soco+wZ
it's just a setting for me, all of 3 clicks
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17. zamada+0z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 03:15:52
>>tentac+Wb1
> Hmm, are you sure about this?

As much as I'd like to be able to claim to be a color expert that can eyeball HSL values with enough certainty to give the answer in decimal percentages the above numbers are from color picker readings of a screenshot of my install.

> I'm able to find plenty of people complaining about the dark background being pitch black[0]

I can't speak about what was true 4 years ago in a preview build adding dark theme, or Windows 10 at all for that matter as I don't have a current install anymore, but for Windows 11 today the above are the measured values.

> That's only for surfaces with blur enabled though, like the sidebar in Settings or the taskbar. Non-blurred surfaces are pitch black.

For that particular preview version of 10 perhaps, in Windows 11 there is also a new opaque material called Mica used heavily throughout the interface as it has less of a performance hit (no blur/transparency) https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/design/style/m...

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18. afarvi+qE2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 12:48:58
>>tyingq+C91
Theres left alignment and then theres left position (left side of display rather simply left aligned but still on the bottom). On my Win 11 machine you can only position the bar on the bottom, and no setting is offered to change it other than icon alignment.
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19. tyingq+II2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 13:20:39
>>afarvi+qE2
Ah, yes. If you want it running vertically on the left or right, or horizontally across the top, there is no setting for that. There are some registry settings documented by third parties, but I haven't tried them.
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