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Tell me again how Microsoft has changed and it isn’t the same company anymore, and how EEE is ancient history.

>>teddyh+(OP)
Literally true of Edge's relationship with Chrome. I believe we're now on the "extinguish" phase.

>>teddyh+(OP)
I feel like Microsoft really has changed. Not the EEE portion though, it's just that quality and support of their products is no longer a serious consideration. We had to engage software assurance support recently and it is horrifically useless compared to the last time we did.

>>teddyh+(OP)
Microsoft, like many other big modern tech companies, just treat goodwill like a currency. Now the time has come to spend it again.

I don't believe for a second that EEE is gone from Microsofts culture and strategy.

>>AnIdio+sf
> it's just that quality and support of their products is no longer a serious consideration

They did lay off their QA teams a while back.

>>2pEXgD+Cf
It's more that Microsoft is a huge company that contains both benevolent and malevolent actors. The Windows team has embraced dark patterns wholeheartedly whereas the VSCode team is doing good work to earn developer love. That these goals are in complete opposition seems to not trouble MS execs.

>>zarzav+5g1
The VSCode team is busy releasing proprietary extensions which won't run on open source builds of Code, but only proprietary builds packaged by Microsoft.

>>jasonh+Ob
I think it's more likely Edge gets extinguished. It's like a blip on Chromium forks radar.

>>zarzav+5g1
It's not surprising that Microsoft's developer team is the one gathering goodwill, and it's not because they just happen to be staffed by good people. Microsoft bet against open source and lost, and they were watching themselves lose developer mindshare in real time with the rise of GitHub and open source languages/runtimes like Python, Node.js and Ruby, most of which run better and are easier to use (especially with native addons) in Linux and Unix (incl. macOS.) So suddenly you see VS Code, WSL, Windows Terminal, Azure, .NET Core, POSIX semantics in the Windows API, and so on, all aimed at keeping developers (but not end-users) running Windows on bare-metal, or at least using Microsoft cross-platform software in place of non-Microsoft cross-platform software.

On the other hand, Windows, which is absolutely dominant among end-users, is the one employing dark patterns because they know it isn't under threat. These aren't coincidences.

>>teddyh+(OP)
Microsoft is a very big company. Microsoft as a whole has changed, almost all divisions are playing much nicer than in the past. It seems like it's the windows division specificaally tha still plays by the old rules.

>>Ygg2+7m1
I'm seeing it everywhere