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Windows 11 Officially Shuts Down Firefox’s Default Browser Workaround

submitted by beezle+(OP) on 2021-12-16 16:29:24 | 715 points 546 comments
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6. vernie+Y9[view] [source] 2021-12-16 17:11:41
>>beezle+(OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Man_and_the_Lisa
7. cosmot+4a[view] [source] 2021-12-16 17:12:05
>>beezle+(OP)
As far as I know, the workaround is no longer needed

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-re...

17. ashton+qd[view] [source] 2021-12-16 17:24:18
>>beezle+(OP)
MS is getting desperate. This shill [^1] had the audacity to reply to a tweet I made praising the very excellent FOSS Zotero bibliography manager with a suggestion to use Edge. Like, come on. Amusingly, Twitter initially hid his tweet with "Tweet may contain offensive material." Offensive to a FOSS-loving mind indeed.

[^1]: https://twitter.com/varadarajans

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66. sleibr+3l[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 17:52:33
>>boverm+7h
I can't say I've used it personally but I know of OpenRGB[1], which should help with lighting on those types of computer devices. Maybe that might do the trick?

[1] - https://openrgb.org/

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89. hn_ver+3p[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 18:08:43
>>keawad+5k
You've missed the 2nd definition of shill:

shill verb: 2 : to act as a spokesperson or promoter "the eminent Shakespearean producer … is now shilling for a brokerage house" — Andy Rooney

shill noun: 1b : one who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

If you're going to choose to be pedantic, it helps to read the entire definition, and not just paste in the top result from DDG's "define shill"

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109. jccalh+Ys[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 18:25:43
>>cronix+Te
I updated to 11 on my laptop but kept 10 on my main machine. I see zero reason to update my main computer to 11. I was willing to give centered start button a try but the fact that you can't turn off grouping of applications in the taskbar is a deal breaker. If I have two firefox windows open I want to know it and to be able to pick which one I want without having to hover my mouse over the icon for a second while the picture of the windows pops up.

So I installed Explorer patcher to get the old taskbar back https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

Other than that the only feature of 11 that I have used is the snap zones. And I guess if I want that I can install the power toy it is based on.

117. thesup+gu[view] [source] 2021-12-16 18:30:29
>>beezle+(OP)
Microsoft is showing that they are really the ones who are in control.

"Either the user controls the software, or the software controls the users":

https://youtu.be/Ag1AKIl_2GM?t=57

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123. westpf+xv[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 18:35:47
>>scrupl+es
Check out https://www.protondb.com

The only games that I really ever struggle with are ones that have anticheat. And EasyAntiCheat is going linux friendly so something like 95 of the top 100 games on steam will either work natively or via proton.

And with Valve pushing the SteamDeck is see that number going to 100 soon.

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138. tyingq+kz[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 18:52:20
>>cronix+Te
The "wslg" version of WSL, which comes with a Wayland display server built-in, is perhaps a driver.

The github page still says it requires Windows 11: https://github.com/microsoft/wslg

Though I suppose it's possible they've also pushed it to the insider builds for Windows 10.

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148. tjalfi+gC[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:05:50
>>behnam+Xt
> You'd think MS would be able to unify all this mess and consolidate Windows settings, but no.

Removing or redesigning the Control Panel would break third-party apps that rely on the existing structure; Raymond Chen's blog[0] has mentioned apps doing this.

[0] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/

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150. judge2+2D[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:08:48
>>zamada+oq
The new context menu should improve things over time since it forces IExplorerCommand usage, which only allows in-process command logic so there should be no more UI hangs when someone has 20+ context menu entries (even if the command options end up lazy-loading in).

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2021/07/19/extend...

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/shortcu...

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/127365#issuecomme...

158. amatec+iE[view] [source] 2021-12-16 19:15:04
>>beezle+(OP)
Was there not a huge lawsuit around this kind of crap in the 90's? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

How did this anticompetitive BS ever get the greenlight from legal?

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162. crvdgc+QE[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:17:33
>>seqizz+Ux
On Windows, apps can register URIs for them to handle. For example, steam uses steam://. The actual behavior is determined by the app.

According to Microsoft's documentation[0], the microsoft-edge:// scheme opens the edge browser and navigates to the specified URL.

If what is claimed in the article is implemented, it will provide a way to bypass the default browser setting. The system will launch edge even if you set another browser as your default web browser, bringing the problem of leaking MS account information that comes with the edge.

[0]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/launch-resume/l...

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165. tentac+gF[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:20:09
>>willis+rp
There's a saying for this: "don't let perfect be the enemy of good"[0].

[0]: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/don%27t+let+perfect+be+...

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167. smolde+4G[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:24:05
>>tentac+xE
Photoshop CS6 works pretty reliably on the majority of setups, I remember having an... ahem, perfectly legal copy installed without needing to use any install helpers whatsoever. WINE just downloaded all of the dependencies before launching the installer and it worked like a charm. According to WineHQ[0], the only features it seems to be missing is the updater that came with it. Creative Cloud seems to be a bit more hit-or-miss, but I genuinely don't know many people running CC these days. It might be worth doing your own research there.

Ableton Live 10 works fine though, I played around with it for a while before switching to Bitwig (which has a native Linux build), and I really didn't have any complaints besides the CPU usage being marginally higher than native Windows. I haven't tried it recently either, so the situation may well have improved.

EDIT: just reinstalled my copy of Live 11, it works out-of-the-box with WINE installed and no configuration.

I can't go around making claims that it's perfect, but it's pretty damn close. You may as well see for yourself, all the software (WINE, Linux, etc) is free.

[0] https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI...

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168. tentac+6G[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:24:09
>>zamada+oq
> Settings app is now uses a more traditional left pane navigation instead of a list of large boxes for touch

Serious question: why didn't they just do this in the first place? It can't be hard to check if the user has a touch input and dynamically resize buttons / list items, then size them back down when the user is done. They do exactly this for "Tablet mode"[0] in Windows 10.

This, and the pitch black dark mode that honestly looks dreadful on non-OLED, makes me think they don't really take customisation into much consideration.

[0]: https://www.howtogeek.com/221973/what-is-tablet-mode-in-wind...

170. thunde+ZG[view] [source] 2021-12-16 19:28:36
>>beezle+(OP)
From the TFA -

This is not for http://, https://, file:// links. This is specifically for microsoft-edge:// links, which I've never seen.

I think this applies only for Progressive Web Apps (PWAs).

I'm wondering how many of the commentators here have actual read the article.

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181. tentac+zJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:40:37
>>pferde+Ey
> And yet most people keep trusting them with their code on Github.

Honestly, from what I've seen many people don't see the issue with this. "The code is public anyway, so what difference does it make?"

I'm starting to see the downsides of that viewpoint now, though[0]. If GitHub, and by extension Microsoft, technically 'own' the code (licensing, etc.) then they have free reign over it, leading to things like Copilot and Intellicode.

[0]: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/intellicode/issues/201

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193. froste+LN[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 19:57:43
>>delect+8C
It still works this way, but I find having to figure out which number to press is too slow. There's a utility that adds numbers to the taskbar buttons when the start key is held down, called 7+ Taskbar Numberer, but it doesn't work on Windows 11.

https://ramensoftware.com/7-taskbar-numberer

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196. BrS96b+IO[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 20:01:49
>>willis+rp
We would only be coming full circle. https://donhopkins.medium.com/mit-ai-lab-tourist-policy-f73b...
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198. chabad+YO[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 20:03:01
>>serf+Pv
At least for fusion360, check out this project: https://github.com/cryinkfly/Autodesk-Fusion-360-for-Linux

It makes using fusion on wine really easy, and it runs surprisingly well too.

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199. drdaem+aP[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 20:04:07
>>modele+IL
This. Just like in the ol' good days, install an API hook (e.g. with Microsoft Detours[1]) that would patch relevant functions in-memory. Microsoft cannot block this because they'll be breaking lots of existing things (automation tools, gaming overlays, AV software even).

And if MS would want to play it rough and start blocking hook DLLs with permission barriers, make this API patcher a kernel module.

[1]: https://github.com/microsoft/detours

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211. medlaz+tR[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 20:17:02
>>arepub+qP
It's still Windows, we can tweak everything exactly how we want it.

https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

https://ramensoftware.com/7-taskbar-tweaker-on-windows-11-wi...

I've been using 7taskbar for years, it's rock solid. ExplorerPatcher is a new requirement, works great and adds tons of features.

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235. AnIdio+DX[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 20:48:03
>>ArnoVW+TO
I've been saying something to that effect for years, actually. Here's an example:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18150284

> As a vocal critic of the Linux Desktop, even I feel that soon Microsoft will have succeeded in making Windows so horrifically awful and user-hostile that the Linux Desktop will start to look good by comparison.

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243. common+JZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 20:58:36
>>boverm+7h
You may be interested in these FOSS alternatives for Alienware, Steelseries, and Razer control software on Linux:

- AlienFX (https://github.com/trackmastersteve/alienfx): Control Alienware lighting effects on Linux

- rivalcfg (https://github.com/flozz/rivalcfg): CLI tool and Python library to configure Steelseries mice on Linux

- RazerGenie (https://github.com/z3ntu/RazerGenie): Configure Razer devices on Linux, uses OpenRazer

- OpenRazer (https://openrazer.github.io): FOSS driver and userspace daemon for Razer devices on Linux

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260. milkyt+841[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 21:23:19
>>jccalh+Ys
I wonder if something like Cairo is compatible or will be with 11. It has good support for grouping in the taskbar.

On my 10 machine I use it and find it so much more pleasing than the default desktop.

https://cairoshell.com/

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276. r00fus+Q71[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 21:40:24
>>medioc+Yx
Yeah you may need to use Glorious Eggroll [1] for some games.

[1] https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom/releases

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277. efraim+l81[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 21:42:38
>>jccalh+Ys
On windows 10, holding down the ctrl-button while clicking on the icon will switch to the recently used instance and if you keep clicking it will cycle through the open instances. If you want this behaviour as standard, you can enable it by editing the register. https://www.maketecheasier.com/enable-last-active-click-wind...
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288. btdmas+kc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:02:49
>>dijit+KU
Dunst is native wayland since early 2021[1]. Instead of rofi, bemenu[2] is nice too.

[1] https://github.com/dunst-project/dunst/issues/264

[2] https://github.com/Cloudef/bemenu

300. sm4rk0+Ve1[view] [source] 2021-12-16 22:16:44
>>beezle+(OP)
If you happen to have a PC with OEM-installed Windows, you can switch to Linux and use the Windows license (stored in firmware) to legally install Windows in a Virtual Machine (so the license is not wasted):

https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/howto-legally-use-windo...

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303. zamada+Af1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:22:47
>>NickNa+Zc1
It's not plastered in the default view anymore but I still see the "rewards" button if I navigate to the account section: https://i.imgur.com/IWBkaEJ.png
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313. modele+gi1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:40:00
>>cplusp+Yh1
I'm using https://www.beeper.com/ for this and it is very much a beta but it works.
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318. mitemt+sj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:48:03
>>greggm+If1
Maybe you’d like this: https://github.com/lwouis/alt-tab-macos
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320. a5aAqU+Hj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 22:49:14
>>Fourth+he1
> I avoid the creepy feeling that Google is logging every mouse movement and keystoke I make for teh ads.

Microsoft is doing it too:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/423165/how-to-turn-off-windo...

There's still Linux.

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337. Ghetto+pn1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 23:09:27
>>gunapo+vm1
Most people do if they install a distro from my experience. It’s easy and it just works.

You never install more software in Linux? I certainly do, it’s why I got it. You can use this to make Windows “distros”. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur...

I’m not a Windows user but it’s not fundamentally different, Linux can come bloated, Windows can be stripped or another version like LTSC can be used.

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347. actual+9q1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 23:25:44
>>zumina+s91
I wonder if it's keeping the protocol ms-edge, although I'd assume you'd have noticed that. I guess you could try creating a tiny app named msedge.exe that reopens the links as https://
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364. tyingq+Gt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-16 23:51:03
>>soco+Aj1
For me, it's a setting, and yes, I tried it and it works: https://imgur.com/a/QSxE92W

I didn't mention the other two things because they aren't available settings. I mentioned the one that is, because I thought it might be helpful.

Aside: Why do people jump to snark so fast?

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371. tentac+0w1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 00:07:19
>>zamada+p81
> Regarding dark theme the dark app background is 12.5% gray and the lighter offset backgrounds are 17.5% gray. If it appears pitch black it's not because the theme is made for OLEDs rather your displays are miscalibrated and completely crushing blacks.

Hmm, are you sure about this? From a quick search, I'm able to find plenty of people complaining about the dark background being pitch black[0] (there's also a Feedback Hub item linked in there, not able to open it as I'm on Linux). I might be wrong, but I am fairly sure my display is not mis-calibrated, as I actually spent a lot of time calibrating it when it got here (have only had it a handful of months). The only downside of the monitor is that blacks really smear when you move them around, whereas dark greys are substantially better.

That's one of the reasons I really dislike the pitch black mode, anyway. It also just looks horrible on anything that isn't AMOLED, IMO.

> If you enable transparency effects the color of your background will blend with these and raise/lower them accordingly.

That's only for surfaces with blur enabled though, like the sidebar in Settings or the taskbar. Non-blurred surfaces are pitch black.

[0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/6nzs34/any_way_t...

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389. millzl+aB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 00:41:45
>>greggm+If1
Me and a collegue were having this discussion a couple of days ago. There is a way to do it. It involved bringing up mission control selecting the window then pressing option.

Also there is this https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/

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407. duskwu+XH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 01:27:56
>>contra+LB1
Right. Specifically, a target in the corner of the screen has effectively infinite size with regards to Fitts's law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law#Implications_for...

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412. userbi+XI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 01:33:57
>>joseph+7f
Don't let the "security" FUD scare you. I bet 99% of malware infections are from people running stuff they should know better than to. Turn off all listening services, use a firewall, and keep JS off by default. I can't wait to see how many new exploits are introduced by all the new features of Win11 which are in a seemingly half-done state... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28404332
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439. zamada+4T1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 03:15:52
>>tentac+0w1
> Hmm, are you sure about this?

As much as I'd like to be able to claim to be a color expert that can eyeball HSL values with enough certainty to give the answer in decimal percentages the above numbers are from color picker readings of a screenshot of my install.

> I'm able to find plenty of people complaining about the dark background being pitch black[0]

I can't speak about what was true 4 years ago in a preview build adding dark theme, or Windows 10 at all for that matter as I don't have a current install anymore, but for Windows 11 today the above are the measured values.

> That's only for surfaces with blur enabled though, like the sidebar in Settings or the taskbar. Non-blurred surfaces are pitch black.

For that particular preview version of 10 perhaps, in Windows 11 there is also a new opaque material called Mica used heavily throughout the interface as it has less of a performance hit (no blur/transparency) https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/design/style/m...

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448. rootsu+DZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 04:13:55
>>nabaki+cX1
You can install different browsers and set them as defaults but all of the browsers on iOS must use webkit.

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sof...

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449. SECPro+j02[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 04:19:39
>>joseph+7f
You can get 2021 Windows 10 LTSC IoT with 10 year lifecycle[1], so Jan 2032 for security updates.

[1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-...

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451. waterh+c12[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 04:30:12
>>stormb+vH1
I use a free application called Spark, which lets me bind global hotkeys to arbitrary things, and in particular those things can be "bring up the topmost window of application X while leaving the rest where they are". I have it set up so that control-shift-h brings up Terminal, control-shift-c brings up Chrome, control-shift-f brings up Finder, control-shift-n brings up Firefox, etc., and for most of those I have "Bring [to] front the main window only" set. I use the hotkeys many times a day.

https://www.shadowlab.org/softwares/spark.php

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466. deepbl+g92[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 05:36:23
>>jhoelz+ts
There is a German article, that goes in depth on how to disable pretty much all of them and explains what they do: https://www.kuketz-blog.de/mozilla-firefox-datensendeverhalt...

A few of them actually do make sense for a normal user (i.e. the Wifi portal stuff). But you can disable it if you spend some effort on it or you can also use an alternative build of Firefox without it. Not great, but also not terrible imo. Sorry, that I have no English source.

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469. anshum+Mc2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 06:06:22
>>Liquid+45
Can I just rename edge.exe (or whatever the name of the executable is)?

EDIT: I can't do that on my office laptop. My personal laptop isn't compatible with Windows 11.

What about something like this?https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/open-in-fi...

(I have major trust issues with extensions after huge disaster with the Chrome extension to suspend tabs which had malicious code embedded in it)

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473. alin23+kj2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 07:05:04
>>blacks+gk1
I found Cmd-Tab to be too slow for me after coming from Windows where I used Win+number.

I had to create a new app to scratch that itch: https://lowtechguys.com/rcmd

I think the consistent shortcuts for switching between tabs are Cmd-Shift-[ and Cmd-Shift-]

It worked in all applications I used so far.

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480. cookie+zm2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 07:40:18
>>cronix+Te
How far has ReactOS [1] come, btw?

I mean, at some point they converge to the featureset of Windows 7, and then Microsoft has no business model anymore when it comes to stability and time-of-life; which was the previous reason industries chose Windows over alternatives.

[1] https://reactos.org/

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488. nptelj+8G2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 10:27:03
>>phreac+7h1
Kubuntu fits this bill in my opinion. If you take a look at their feature tour[0], it uses similar paradigms as Windows. And Ubuntu is widely supported, and their package directory is quite good.

[0] https://kubuntu.org/feature-tour/

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499. chris_+gZ2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 12:55:06
>>hobos_+k21
It’s active.

https://fusion.online.autodesk.com/

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513. timbit+YN3[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 16:43:36
>>NoImma+t02
I'd recommend skipping Ubuntu and the *ubuntus. Linux Mint and Debian are better. Zorin claims to be Windows-like: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=zorin
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516. laserl+ln4[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-17 19:05:37
>>waterh+c12
I’ve done the same using BetterTouchTool [0]. It’s named very unfortunately because it is able to assign a system-wide function to any input device, even MIDI devices. It is highly customizable.

[0] https://folivora.ai/

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