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I;m trying to figure out why this is being spun this way. For years we have made the argument that services can be personalized without dangerous and crappy data privacy behaviors. Apple appears to be doing so. As long as they live with the restrictions that they force on others, its proof that companies don't need to buy and sell and compromise their customers to deliver a good product.

>>InTheA+(OP)
Why do you think they're living with the restrictions they put on others? All signs seem to be pointing to them doing the opposite.

>>alphab+wj
I can turn off Apple’s ad tracking in a way that’s nontrivial for every other ad platform.

>>InTheA+(OP)
They do not live with the same restrictions though: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/08/07/apple-a...

>>gigel8+tp
I think it’s a bit more nuanced. As far as I know Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. can still use whatever data they have on their logged-in users to target ads.

Apple argues that’s what they do, too. I haven’t delved deep into that, but think that, technically, they’re right.

Now question is whether Apple’s “whatever data they have on their logged-in users” is on equal footing with what the other big players have. Many iOS users are permanently logged into Apple (¿maybe not even when using a browser?). I guess many also are almost permanently logged into Facebook or Google.

>>InTheA+(OP)
I don't understand this argument.

Its ok to trust your data to an advertising company because it just happens to sell a hardware device, but its not ok to trust your data to advertising company if they don't sell hardware devices?

>>ActorN+ry
With apple there’s a single toggle switch to turn the whole thing off and delete the collected data.

>>Someon+Cw
Can you use an iPhone without an Apple account?

The only real comparator here is Google, who have similar information available to them on Android.