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1. Rapzid+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-06-04 12:54:06
It's like everyone has forgotten or never even knew the context of the original strong pushback. It wasn't against the possibility of a lab leak, it was against the rhetoric (lies) coming out of our own Whitehouse trying shift blame to China. Lies that were dangerously feeding anti-asian sentiment in the USA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article...

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2. jaywal+d6[view] [source] 2021-06-04 13:40:10
>>Rapzid+(OP)
Oh please. Your one article doesn't change the fact that even mentioning the lab leak theory got you labeled a right-wing conspiracy nut and in some cases banned from social media.
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3. bryanw+mg[view] [source] 2021-06-04 14:44:34
>>Rapzid+(OP)
You didn't read the article. Any medical professional who seriously considered the lab leak was ostracized.
4. dqv+Oo[view] [source] 2021-06-04 15:33:39
>>Rapzid+(OP)
I can't believe you're putting me in a position to have to even slightly defend Trump. You are giving Trump supporting whack jobs credibility when you give deference to this sort of revisionism.

The news articles that require the most analysis are the ones of which we are least critical (i.e. those which are prima facie the most factual), yet here you are with a lazy article about Rush Limbaugh. I mean come on, we know he was there to spread propaganda.

Now here's a CNN article, posted May 1, 2020. Let's lightly analyze it:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/trump-intelligence-c...

My favorite part about this article is that, coming back to it today it's so easy to plausibly deny the associations they were making, but in the context of the time the conclusion from the article is that the lab leak theory is a conspiracy that the intelligence community is pushing back against.

>President Donald Trump contradicted a rare on-the-record statement from his own intelligence community by claiming Thursday that he has seen evidence that gives him a "high degree of confidence"

POP QUIZ!

1. Did Trump say he had a high degree of confidence that SARS-CoV-2 leaked from the lab?

2. Why would CNN need to misrepresent something Trump said when he says enough BS the way it is?

Answer key: (1) No, watch the video (it was the interviewer who projected that statement onto Trump). (2) I don't know, but it doesn't seem like they have any good reason to do so.

The reporter drives the sentiment. The reporter is who the viewership listen to on how to feel about a particular statement. And what has the reporter done in this article? They have first suggested that Trump claims to have strong evidence the virus was leaked from the lab. Then they move on to suggest the intelligence community disagrees with this claim:

>In acknowledgment of that effort, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued an unprecedented public statement Thursday prior to Trump's comments making clear the intelligence community is currently exploring two possibilities but cannot yet assess if the outbreak "was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan" or began "through contact with infected animals."

Then they create an association with conspiracy theories:

>While the statement suggests the intelligence community has not yet developed a clear assessment as to how the outbreak started, it does say that officials have ruled out the possibility that the virus was "man-made or genetically modified," agreeing with a near consensus among scientists and refuting conspiracy theories.

The article says both theories are plausible! you might think, but the reporting brings us back to this central claim:

>But the lack of evidence to back up claims that the outbreak began in a Chinese lab has not stopped top administration officials, including Pompeo, and some Republican allies of the President from raising the possibility in public comments.

(emphasis on possibility is mine)

So when you say

>It wasn't against the possibility of a lab leak

I have to disagree. The mass media artfully manufactured the consensus that the possibility of the lab leak theory was unfounded. They did so while producing factual information that suggested we didn't have much evidence backing either theory, but used skillful narration to direct all attention to denying the possibility of the lab leak.

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5. myko+5p[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-06-04 15:34:49
>>jaywal+d6
No, folks who claimed the virus was bio-engineered were thought to be nuts. Those who claimed it came from the lab were asked to provide evidence.
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6. Rapzid+GY[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-06-04 18:10:43
>>dqv+Oo
Fuller video of what lead of to those questions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3BRQ7scbqc . Trump was already starting to spread the FUD about the virus situation being China's "fault" and strongly insinuating it was somehow malicious.

Also, in that CNN article video he is asked a question not asked in the above video. A very direct question and NOT leading:

> What gives you I high degree of confidence that this originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

> I can't tell you that. I'm not allowed to tell you that.

Seriously though, I was alive and not under a rock in 2020. I was paying attention to all of this while it was happening.

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7. dqv+sm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-06-04 19:51:34
>>Rapzid+GY
Great, I don't have to do any Trump apologetics now. But while you were busy adjudicating what Trump did or didn't say, you forgot about what CNN was doing in its article - the most important part (and CNN isn't the only one who did this). They created an association of the WIV lab leak theory with Trump, suggested he was in disagreement with the intelligence community, and wrapped that up with denials of the lab leak theory.

Let's not go into semantics and technicalities here - journalists know how to write and they know how to clarify. They had ample opportunity on air and in writing to say something to the effect of "while Trump is a fucking idiot and mischaracterizes the lab leak theory, we can not rule it out". Instead they manufactured an association and a denial instead of separating the valid parts of the theory away from what Trump claimed.

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8. Rapzid+tS1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-06-04 23:30:07
>>dqv+sm1
Well look, I didn't bring up Trump. I just said the WH because there were a lot of people within the admin and in their circles who were trying to offer up China as the "enemy" in the COVID situation with a bunch of BS supposedly backed by secret evidence that has yet to be seen in order to deflect blame for the situation in the USA away from.. Areas they didn't want the blame to fall. Probably related to the 2020 run-up.

I wasn't posting that article as the word of god. It contains information about conspiracies and BS that was being spread around at the time. To add context to what was being pushed back against at the time. Interviewers will also setup questions like this:

> Last night so-and-so indicated he has seen evidence that China is responsible for the coronavirus outbreak and may have manufactured it in a lab and released it on purpose. Let me ask you this: What do you think of the lab leak theory?

> Sigh Let me be clear, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS yada yada yada.

So now a year later, with all the context apparently down the memory hole, this is being shortened to:

> Let me ask you this: What do you think of the lab leak theory?

> Sigh Let me be clear, there is NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS yada yada yada.

"OMG, this was so-and-so then and look at him now:"

> I have never ruled out the possibility of a lab leak. I just thought then and now that the highest likelihood is a jump between species.

"Why so strong of a pushback then but not now?!"

#SomethingIsRotten #ThisStinks #iDidntWantToBelieveItBeforeButThisIsIncredibleReadItYourself #YouDecide

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