Everything listed by GP was known a year ago, which is why it was so frustrating to get dismissed as conspiracy theory.
What changed? Mostly the party in power. At the time it was politically expedient to say that Trump was being racist or xenophobic against China, so it was deemed necessary to paint comments by him or his supporters as xenophobic conspiracy theories. Then when he states something reasonable like the lab leak hypothesis they can portray him and his supporters as conspiracy nuts. And if it could influence the election even 0.1%, that would be bonus points for some people, although I would call that a dishonest influence.
Now that he isn’t in power, they’ve decided it’s no longer necessary to avoid telling the truth.
But the media dismissed it before that was proved. Because trump said it.
Now imagine a hypothetical scenario where it actually worked. Just because trump was using it, the media would have potentially killed people just because they can’t agree with a single thing trump says.
This is not journalism. It’s not objective reporting in the slightest. And it was by media outlets who claim to be doing real journalism and claim they are objective. At least fox doesn’t claim to be objective. It’s shameful propaganda.
My general position is that if something is reported by a mainstream media outlet, there's a good chance that the opposite is true.
Fox lawyers even argued that the Tucker show is not "news", and should not be treated as such.
So, no, he was not right about this either. He just peddled the idea that the only credible broadcasts were the ones praising him.
At least with fox and oann you know they are fully partisan.
But that means you have to ignore his advice, not take it as an indicator of something bad. From what I can tell, there was plenty of activity trying out anything that seemed plausible, including Hydroxychloroquine. And it went through the usual medical science news cycle of study showing it totally works, study showing it might work, study showing it actually doesn't do a whole lot, with a pretty quick progression.
About the only thing the negative media coverage may have done is discourage people from actively soliciting for a mostly untested experimental treatment. But then again, probably not by much; or maybe they asked for other malaria drugs instead.
If you are making decisions not based on evidence but on personalities, you are going to make huge mistakes.
NYT may be partisan, yes, but, qualitatively speaking, it's laughable to compare NYT and OANN or NewsMax. They are not even in the same business.
That would have been a coincidente. Are you willing to gamble your wellbeing on a lucky hunch?
I still don't understand this logic process. Asserting something with no evidence is arguably worse, than pointing out the absurdity of it.
> satellite network of reactionary right wing outlets that are about as bad
Predictably, as is custom at this point, our respective appraisals of the other side depend on the side we're on. Fine - but that's beside the point. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, et. all are, most charitably, factories of lies by omission. It's been clear to a lot of us that COVID was born of a colossal mistake by CCP scientists doing GoF research since February or March of 2020. The mainstream so-called news knew just as long - they're not stupid, they're manipulating you along an undisclosed agenda.
Just because you can point to someone else you believe to mislead in a more egregious fashion doesn't somehow alleviate the fact that we have exactly zero credible news sources.
Both are just as bad as each other.
The fact that a group of people believe certain lies, doesn't make those lies acceptable, either.
I couldn't care less about what republicans think of NYT versus OANN. Yes, they may think that OANN is a better source. Still, they would be wrong.
This couldn't be further from the truth.
An assertion without evidente is a lie. Pointing out that someone is making assertions without evidente is not a lie.
If Trump were to say that the sky is actually orange, and provided no evidence, would you take on the media for reporting that what he said had no foundation on reality?
That's nuts.
Even that I'm not so sure about. This is a collection of all the HCQ studies: https://c19hcq.com/
Early treatment at lower dosages (lower compared to the "negative results" studies) seems to show positive results pretty consistently.
Not the exact term itself, but the significancy of it. The "lying press" is a pejorative used since at least the XIX century [1].
Are we looking for 100% reliability here? Then, yes, we could call the NYT or the WP "fake news". But that is just hyperbole, directed at creating doubt and uncertainty where it does not exist. Once Trump followers had a excuse to label the NYT as "partisan" or "fake", it was easy for Trump to steer the narrative any way he wanted.
Consider thalidomide:
https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/thalidomide-tragedy-l...
I do know that, unless you want to advocate nuking China (the official US government response to biowarfare) or you think they have a secret cure, it's meaningless.
And, yes, I'm glad that it got ignored while Trump was in power. I think the odds that he would decided to launch nukes in response was unacceptably high (as in, not zero.)
You might be interested to know, that Trump was already informed about the seriousness of the outbreak in Wuhan in early January. However at that time he chose not to act on it because it might harm the ongoing negotiations over a trade deal with China. So if you want to blame Trump for something, it would actually make more sense to blame him for closing the flights from China too late.
“Fair and balanced” I believe the slogan is.
Nonetheless, you are correct.
Fox/Sky are shameless hard right propagandists.
Sadly, CNN/Nbc are hard left propagandists. I don’t know enough of the history to say that was always the case as it is for Fox/Sky, but it certainly is today.
It’s disheartening to think that even once respected papers like the Guardian have become so departed from objective journalism. I can’t help but think that journalistic freedom of speech is ultimately on borrowed time if the situation becomes much worse.
I’ve taken to following Reuters for news now, but even then I don’t know if what I’m watching is well sourced or it just happens to agree with my own biases more often than not.
https://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2014/8/2/this-keller...
Don't confuse that with having an ideology or a commitment to certain ideas.
You can be partisan (or have an ideology) and still be trustworthy, but the trouble with that is, you actually have to be trustworthy.
I'd rather compare the NYT with The Economist on this point.
The reason why the Hydroxychloroquine suggestions were dismissed is simple: science involves an empirical epistemology and that means undemonstrated hypotheses are not treated as true.
Trying to quantify harms and seize assets makes the pandemic seem like a unary problem rather than the result of profound ideological weaknesses.