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1. Kozmik+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-04-19 20:59:18
As others have mentioned, Ian's knots has great reccommendations, but overlooked is the "surgeon's knot".

This one has two twists instead of the normal one, and comes out like a square knot if done right. It won't come untied by itself, ever. But you can untie it by tugging on the tails of the laces. You can do this one with a thumb on the initial bend, unlike the "bunny ears" style knots.

It's a hell of a lot better than the "double knot" your kids' teachers will do if they go to school with any kind of single knot, square or not. Double knotting just results in big jams when one tries to untie it later.

Check out the surgeon's knot: https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/surgeonknot.htm

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2. b112+z[view] [source] 2021-04-19 21:02:40
>>Kozmik+(OP)
I don't know why, but the picture of the shoe, with the knot at the toe end of the shoe, makes me angry. I mean, literally angry, very angry, yet there is zero valid reason to be that emotionally charged about it.

Intellectually, I wonder "how will one get their shoe off, without lots of work". Yet the anger is intense for some inane reason.

Now I wonder if I need therapy, due to some shoe related horror in the past.

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3. cecilp+f1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:07:02
>>b112+z
> the knot at the toe end of the shoe

What are you talking about? That photo shows the knot at the heel end.

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4. Steve0+p1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:08:21
>>b112+z
Just pull the ends to get it off. Works great, never gets untied.
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5. b112+C1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:10:04
>>cecilp+f1
Wow. It does. Wild. I literally saw the toe end of a shoe there, due to the darker colour. I wonder how many others will see that first, or if I'm just borked.

(I had to go back, stare at it, enlarge the pic, stare some more, then I saw it the correct way.)

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6. Spare_+U1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:12:41
>>b112+z
Are you referring to this picture: https://www.fieggen.com/Dont_Link/finished-Surgeons-Knot.jpg

The perspective of the picture fooled me for a moment too, but this knot is in the usual position.

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7. frakt0+j2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:14:49
>>b112+C1
I 100% saw it the same way you did and exclaimed aloud when I read this thread.
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8. metaba+p2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:16:09
>>b112+C1
That's how I saw it first too.
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9. b112+r2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:16:26
>>Spare_+U1
Likely those with a heightened sense of perception are detecting this illusion. I mean, clearly that explains it.
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10. kelnos+Q2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:19:44
>>b112+z
It actually isn't at the toe end of the shoe, but I thought the same thing the first time I looked at it. The bit that looks like the "toe" is actually the hole where your foot goes in, and the perspective is reversed from what you'd be looking at if you were staring down at shoes you are currently wearing. For some reason my brain initially interpreted the color of the "hole" as an accent color you might have at the toe of your shoes.
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11. stouse+K3[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 21:27:53
>>b112+z
I think you're mis-seeing that picture. The darker area isn't the toe box, it's the inside of the shoe as seen from the tip of the tongue.

Hope that makes you feel better.

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12. setr+I7[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-19 22:01:44
>>b112+z
Had I seen the shoe in the configuration you're referring to, I would have had the same reaction. In fact, such a position would be offensive to all reasonable persons. The mental image alone is revolting
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13. m463+7C[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-20 03:08:43
>>stouse+K3
It's like the guy sharing cookies story.
14. m463+kC[view] [source] 2021-04-20 03:11:09
>>Kozmik+(OP)
why did that get a lower rating than ian's secure knot?

Is it the security/convenience ratio?

security=1/convenience

EDIT: Wait! I didn't notice this:

"Now, simply pull the loops to tighten the knot. The whole twisted mess of the previous drawing will rearrange itself into exactly the same finished knot as my Ian's Secure Shoelace Knot."

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