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1. mylons+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-04-09 14:58:42
we should definitely shout down anyone who says it, though!
replies(4): >>VBprog+d2 >>Rochus+q5 >>kgwxd+n6 >>dang+wl
2. VBprog+d2[view] [source] 2021-04-09 15:10:09
>>mylons+(OP)
When someone's reasons for saying it are simply because it aligns with their own prejudices, shouting it down is reasonable.
replies(4): >>armini+v2 >>silico+Z2 >>HPsqua+N4 >>mylons+u5
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3. armini+v2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 15:11:10
>>VBprog+d2
And you presume to know peoples reasons for saying things? Perhaps you are the prejudiced one.
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4. silico+Z2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 15:13:27
>>VBprog+d2
That's literally the ad hominem fallacy. We should investigate the claim on its own merits, not the merits of whoever is making the claim
replies(1): >>tzs+Dc
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5. HPsqua+N4[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 15:21:40
>>VBprog+d2
How do you determine a person's reasons for saying something, and how can you tell what a person's prejudices are?
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6. Rochus+q5[view] [source] 2021-04-09 15:24:43
>>mylons+(OP)
“If we are at the point where all science is politicized and no one cares about truth and only being politically correct,” he [Petrovsky] says, “we may as well give up and shut down and stop doing science.”
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7. mylons+u5[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 15:24:55
>>VBprog+d2
it must be nice to understand everyone's intentions all the time
8. kgwxd+n6[view] [source] 2021-04-09 15:28:21
>>mylons+(OP)
Researchers should be discussing it. Until conclusive evidence is found, the only reason to post it on social media is to add fuel to the conspiracy fire, a fire that's inspiring people to kill people that couldn't possibly have anything to do with the origin of the virus.
replies(2): >>adamre+W8 >>mylons+mi
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9. adamre+W8[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 15:37:12
>>kgwxd+n6
who has killed someone because of a belief related to any of this?
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10. VBprog+c9[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 15:38:21
>>HPsqua+N4
Presenting the idea of laboratory escape as a remote but possible scenario is perfectly reasonable. Presenting it as a fact, without backing it up with evidence or subtly is a good indication that they are speaking from a place of prejudice.
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11. tzs+Dc[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 15:52:17
>>silico+Z2
It is ad hominem but not ad hominem fallacy. Wikipedia gives a good summary [1] of when ad hominem is not a fallacy:

> Valid ad hominem arguments occur in informal logic, where the person making the argument relies on arguments from authority such as testimony, expertise, or on a selective presentation of information supporting the position they are advocating. In this case, counter-arguments may be made that the target is dishonest, lacks the claimed expertise, or has a conflict of interest.

For example, if someone tells you that hydroxychloroquinea will cure COVID and cites a doctor, it is an ad hominem not but not a fallacy to counter that the same doctor also says that infertility, impotence, cysts, and various other reproductive medical problems are caused by witches and demons that have sex with people in the dreamworld, where they also gather sperm from people and use it on other people to produce more demons. (And yes, there really is a doctor who says all that).

It's not a fallacy because it is not offered to refute the claim that hydroxychloroquine cures COVID--it is offered to show that the person making the claim is not competent to make the claim.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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12. mylons+mi[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-09 16:21:04
>>kgwxd+n6
maybe Facebook/Twitter/Youtube/Other multi-billion dollar entities should censor their platforms and stop inciting violence algorithmically? why do I have to self censor because I'm smart enough to consider this with a beginner's mind, and not a bigot's?
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13. dang+wl[view] [source] 2021-04-09 16:37:06
>>mylons+(OP)
Please don't take HN threads into flamewar. It's not what this site is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful. They include:

"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

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14. kgwxd+2u6[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-12 05:22:30
>>mylons+mi
Same reason you don't post links on how to build a bomb to twitter. Post it on demolition professional forums, cool. Talk about it with you demolition expert friends, cool. Show your mentally unstable neighbor how to make one with kitchen supplies, not cool.
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