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Given that you have said...

"the bulk of users is either too stupid or unwilling to invest even the tiniest amount of effort into their privacy."

I don't feel the need to pull my punches.

This is the most deluded, idiotic response I've seen on hacker news in a long time.

It seems unlikely that the average person (or even a non-techie person of above average intelligence - e.g. a doctor) will be able to set up matrix in a way that is more secure than just installing signal. Your security relies not just on you but on the weakest node in your network. Getting good security might require trade-offs. Your all or nothing mindset will not achieve it. The saying "Perfect is the enemy of done" comes to mind. Perfect security (or what you purpose) is not one of the options in a secure system that has to exist in the real world.

Please remove your head from it's dark cavernous home.

Love, Me

>>subsub+(OP)
the average person doesn't use signal they use phones, whatsapp and facebook. You can use the public matrix node and i can use my own node and we can talk. No setup needed. If they care they can buy a hosted matrix service package like this https://element.io/pricing with their own instance run by people who probably know what they are doing.

In before "but it's not free as in no cost". That's why big corps will always fuck over the normies. As it stands, one cannot use the internet without either giving away their privacy or learning a lot about computers and how they work and how to use them.

The majority chose the "i don't care, give me shiny app" route. and they fucked us all over by doing so. There's no right to easy privacy friendly computing. There's only the harsh reality that behind friendly blue and rainbow colored companies sit people that will sell a digital recreation of yourself to anyone who cares to pay and give you a few gigs of free e-mail space and a shiny app for it.

>>dtx1+14
to prove a point here, use a browser without adblocking and other extensions like chrome for a week and look at how they are targeting you. That's what they do to anyone without the willingness to fight it with technical knowledge. And that sadly is the majority.

>>subsub+(OP)
On the one hand, you're absolutely right about usability. On the other hand...

> "the bulk of users is either too stupid or unwilling to invest even the tiniest amount of effort into their privacy."

Based on my interactions with users writ large, this assessment is on the money. Normies do not care and will never care.

>>subsub+(OP)
You can't attack others like this on HN, so we've banned the account.

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