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That depends - are you willing to admit that the education issue is a race issue? Race, income and school quality are highly correlated in the US: poor neighborhood = poor education. The fact that immigrants (who were not poor in the old country - immigration is expensive) bypass low-quality education doesn't mean it's not a race issue, it just means they are not useful as a control group.

Ruby Bridges, the first black person to integrate in the south is only 66 years old.

>>sangno+(OP)
You’re also ignoring the impact of cultural values here. Education is particularly favored in Nigerian cultures, especially amongst immigrants.

>>sangno+(OP)
> That depends - are you willing to admit that the education issue is a race issue?

There is no uneducated white people who experience a massive income gap maybe?

>>azinma+O6
> You’re also ignoring the impact of cultural values here.

You may also be ignoring the impact of immigration policy: there are a limited number of ways for Nigerians to (legally) get into the US - they no longer qualify for the DV program (unlike other immigrants who do not have a similar selection pressure). If you filter for educated Nigerians by leaving only F/M visa as a way to get into the country, you get mostly Nigerians who value education who qualified for the respective visa's (and their offspring) - there is nothing inherent to Nigerian culture there.

>>alea_i+j9
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing.

>>sangno+Q41
But then you'd expect to see the same thing for other groups subject to such immigration policy, but you don't [1]:

> The data showed 27 percent of non-Hispanic white Americans have bachelor’s degrees and 8 percent hold master’s degrees, according to the 2015 census. The survey also revealed that 4 percent of Nigerians in the U.S. have doctorates, compared to 1 percent of white Americans. And Nigerian-Americans’ education achievements top those of any other U.S. immigrant group. Asians come closest, with 12 percent holding master’s degrees and 3 percent having doctorates.

This article and it's viewpoint on the culture matches what my friends who are either Nigerian or have lived in Nigeria tell me. I believe it's also one of the main reasons that Jews have been able to do so well financially as a minority despite a long history of oppression -- education helps free you from being a victim to the dominate modes of sidelining a given group (I am Jewish and this certainly has been a big factor in both my family's values and others that I know, and has allowed my own family to escape poverty in Russia).

[1] https://www.ozy.com/around-the-world/why-nigerian-americans-...

>>azinma+m61
> But then you'd expect to see the same thing for other groups subject to such immigration policy, but you don't

Proving my theory wrong would require showing a country that is subject to the same policy, but somehow not supplying educated immigrants. If "Asia" here includes the Indian subcontinent, then I believe the article bolsters my point.

The only other country I'm aware of, that is subject to the same immigration policy is India; while I do not have the stats on hand, my gut is that Indian immigrants have higher than average incomes, are generally more educated, and/or are biased to careers in technology since that industry makes heavy use of one of the more reliable immigration paths remaining to them - the H1-B.

Random immigrants (from anywhere on earth) outperform born-Americans on income and entrepreneurship - regardless of their prior education (you can chalk this to self-selection and/or motivation). Putting in an additional filter on higher education just skews the bias further

>>sangno+(OP)
The data doesn’t fit that theory. Latino immigrants, for example, have historically had low levels of education prior to immigration. But for decades the trend has been for Latino incomes to converge with white incomes over a few generations. During that same time, incomes for Black people and native Americans have not converged at all.

It’s also not just a parental income thing. Whites in the bottom 20% of the income spectrum have much double the income mobility of Black people in the bottom 20%. The structural barriers to Black mobility go well beyond income: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353

>>sangno+(OP)
How are you measuring poor education?

>>JamesB+wC1
States actually measure this: pick any metric you want (you may choose any of dropout rate, pass rate, sport budget, student:teacher ratio, college admission rate for a start) and compare how each school is doing compared to the average.

>>sangno+4D1
I can't find any student:teacher ratio statistics anywhere. Are you sure it's different by race?

>>JamesB+9U1
I never suggested the statistics are by race: I clearly said the comparison is between schools in the comment you replied to.