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1. tehjok+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-01-15 03:09:35
This is a profoundly dispiriting stance. Many individuals have made a difference in the past and will continue into the future. The primary way individuals make differences is either by changing the way people think about something, by assembling a group to strategize around their issue, or physically preventing the bad thing from happening.
replies(2): >>Karuna+41 >>Beetle+no
2. Karuna+41[view] [source] 2021-01-15 03:20:56
>>tehjok+(OP)
All of those people you mention had something where they could physically and practically do something about the problem. My comment addresses the vast majority of instances a human learns about a problem where that isn't the case.

Your sphere of concern and your sphere of influence are two different things at the end of the day. If you've decided some social problem is within your sphere of influence, then by all means, take whatever helpful action you can - just do not pretend that this encompasses all problems, or for that matter that the number of problems is not infinite.

Down that path lay depression and burnout.

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3. tehjok+ma[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-01-15 04:58:15
>>Karuna+41
You get to pick which problems you want to work on, just don't pretend you can't work on them.
replies(2): >>Karuna+ta >>Beetle+nn
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4. Karuna+ta[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-01-15 04:59:34
>>tehjok+ma
Don't pretend you can. What would you suggest I do about North Korea's or China's human rights abuses, for instance? These are the kinds of problems I'm talking about.
replies(2): >>tehjok+zg >>fsflov+Qj1
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5. tehjok+zg[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-01-15 06:05:02
>>Karuna+ta
That's going pretty far afield. I would recommend following the rubric I learned from Scahill and Greenwald which is pay attention to things happening domestically because you can do something about them.

I don't pretend there aren't infinite problems, or ones difficult to access, but I strongly caution against treating political problems as something that are immovable.

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6. Beetle+nn[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-01-15 07:21:01
>>tehjok+ma
That is very consistent with the stance Karunamon has.
7. Beetle+no[view] [source] 2021-01-15 07:31:57
>>tehjok+(OP)
> The primary way individuals make differences is either by changing the way people think about something, by assembling a group to strategize around their issue, or physically preventing the bad thing from happening.

As someone who spent time in both volunteer groups and activist groups, I can assure you that well intentioned people can easily make things worse, not better. It's why I got out of such groups.

The first method you cite: "Changing the way people think about something" is a common example of this. It's very easy (in fact, I would say it is the norm) that people's beliefs are strengthened the more they feel besieged, and that often happens by others trying to make them think about something differently (or about something they don't want to). Easily 80-90% of such interactions have this outcome, and definitely over 50% even here on HN. I noticed this earlier in life, and it was confirmed when I started studying communications and influence (almost all books will mirror what I have said).

That's not to say you can't change people's minds. You do need to have the skills to do so, and the ability not to make things worse in trying to do so.

It's great if you want to change things, and I don't aim to discourage you. It is, however, your responsibility to be able to gauge how effective you are, and know whether you are causing damage or not. Do it poorly, and you will merely make it harder for those who do have the skills.

Giving money is the safest way to help without doing harm - provided you have the ability to identify which organization to give the money to.

In that sense, I have no problem with folks who tune out. They could make things much worse by trying to help.

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8. fsflov+Qj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-01-15 14:54:37
>>Karuna+ta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts_of_Chinese_products
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