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I want to clarify: The Rust project has been largely "outside" of the Mozilla incubator for quite a while already; with most of the governance being non-Mozilla individuals. The main things Mozilla provided was infrastructure (a lot of which has moved out in the past year), trademark ownership, and paying some people to work on Rust full-time (which many companies do now).

Make no mistake, Mozilla has contributed a lot to the Rust project, but the particular stage of maturity you mention was achieved some years ago :)

>>Manish+(OP)
Why are Mozilla clearly so closely involved in the announcement of the creation of a foundation? To be honest it does come across that the desire to state that there is distance between Rust and Mozilla somewhat exceeds the actual distance. Certainly it's understandable, based on this language, that GP understood the moment of separation to be more "now" than "several years ago".

> Mozilla and the Rust Core Team are happy to announce plans to create a Rust foundation. Our goal is to have the first iteration of the foundation up and running by the end of the year.

(Later changed to

> the Rust Core Team and Mozilla are happy to announce plans to create a Rust foundation. The Rust Core Team's goal is to have the first iteration of the foundation up and running by the end of the year.

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>>da39a3+67
The text was changed due to feedback provided elsewhere in this HN page.

The blog post was drafted by the core and foundation team, however we did get sign-off from Mozilla on it.

Mozilla currently owns the trademarks that the Rust foundation plans to take ownership of, so they have to be involved to some extent. They have agreed to transfer it as mentioned in the blog post, and are going to work with us to make that happen.

The Rust project as an open source project with open governance has been pretty independent of Mozilla for quite a while now. However, Mozilla did provide some crucial services including trademark ownership, which is _extremely_ relevant to the discussion of forming a foundation.

Trademark ownership and is rarely impactful to the day-to-day workings of the Rust project, which is why I consider these irrelevant to whether or not Rust is still being "incubated" by Mozilla.

>>Manish+(OP)
Yes. Well said. It's understood that Rust has been in matured state for a long time. The current gesture is more of rhetoric signal than the actual stage of maturing.

>>Manish+Bb
OK, thanks for explaining.

To be clear, I don't have any real concerns here, it just seemed a bit inconsistent; the foundation sounds like an important new phase, and I am a very happy Rust user who is somewhat amazed at the extent to which I have come to feel that I can not only use it in places where a compiled language obviously makes sense but that it is convenient enough that I could actually replace some of my prior usage of dynamically typed/interpreted languages.