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1. k__+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-08-18 16:04:45
Yes, the US doesn't seem safe.
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2. dcgude+u5[view] [source] 2020-08-18 16:28:56
>>k__+(OP)
Doesn’t seem safe? Honestly, what do you think will happen to this organization if it were to be headquartered in the US?
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3. qppo+uk[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-18 17:37:19
>>dcgude+u5
Disclaimer: I'm American.

Our government has repeatedly made it policy to block access to software of domestic origin through export controls [0] [1]

Historically I'd argue most nations could trust the US government only to wield economic sanctions against our adversaries, but the current administration has made all nations our adversary.

I can see a real possibility of the current administration enacting export controls on the European Union for a perceived slight against the President, and Congress will not stop him. For example, if crates.io is an American-based software service, there is a real possibility that the US could ban the owners from allowing access from EU IPs.

Granted, the same is true of GitHub, npm, freaking google... but the tl;dr is that I don't think you can trust us today or tomorrow. I don't trust my government, why should you?

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-coun...

[1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/us-export-controls-and...

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4. mlindn+cl[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-18 17:40:53
>>dcgude+u5
> I can see a real possibility of the current administration enacting export controls on the European Union for a perceived slight against the President, and Congress will not stop him. For example, if crates.io is an American-based software service, there is a real possibility that the US could ban the owners from allowing access from EU IPs.

This seems incredibly far fetched. Paranoia is a healthy practice but there is a point when it goes too far.

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5. mcinty+pm[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-18 17:46:49
>>dcgude+u5
Tongue in cheek - kind of? If a country can try banning the export of cryptography, why not try banning the export of programming languages to say China? After all US companies make lots of important ones!
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6. johnco+Ip[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-18 18:00:32
>>qppo+uk
All the countries from the first link have EU sanctions as well, and as long as the projects are on GitHub it won’t really make a difference even if there weren’t.

I’m as appalled at our government’s foreign policy as the next person, but I would bet my bottom dollar on there not being a blanket government mandated EU IP ban in the next four years regardless of the election results. There’s a long way between tariffs and targeted export restrictions for the EU, and the lobbying to NOT cut off all US internet businesses from the EU would be insane.

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7. qppo+ws[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-18 18:13:40
>>johnco+Ip
You have far more faith than I do. If Trump wins a second term, they'll make a big show of negotiating a trade deal with Britain and the EU after Brexit is realized.

If those negotiations break down they may use economic sanctions to show they mean business.

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8. Xylaka+Tw[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-18 18:33:52
>>qppo+uk
> Historically I'd argue most nations could trust the US government only to wield economic sanctions against our adversaries, but the current administration has made all nations our adversary.

https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schade...

US senators are threatening sanctions against the German harbor town of Sassnitz https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schade... to prevent the nord stream gas pipeline from being built. They’d prefer if germany bought liquefied gas from the US. (It’s a bit more complicated than that, but the threat is a new escalation)

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9. Lyrex+vB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-19 02:19:17
>>mlindn+cl
I don't think it is. (disclaimer: I do live in the EU)

The current US administration is already trying today to force close allies to conform to their will using economical pressure. I can imagine a future where this might escalate, so in my opinion forcing US companies to block certain origin countries if not that far fetched.

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10. roboca+A42[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-08-19 08:27:28
>>Xylaka+Tw
Google translation of that link: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3...
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