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1. retort+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-22 19:54:53
This is false. Socio-economically disadvantaged areas genuinely have more crime than elsewhere. They require more policing as a result. Without more policing, the crime problems get worse not better. Your sort of thinking has been tried out with disastrous results in cities throughout the US. It is actively harming law abiding citizens living in poor communities.

Policing is not causing crime. People committing crime is causing crime.

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2. sudosy+z3[view] [source] 2020-06-22 20:07:25
>>retort+(OP)
Wage theft in the US is the majority of theft. Tell me, are people in socio-economically disadvantaged areas committing more wage-theft?

You have to ask yourself why there is more crime in poor areas. The answer is that we don't go looking for or don't care about the crime that happens in other areas as much, and that the socio-economic conditions lead to more crime. You can't fix these issues by sending police there to act like an occupying army. You can only fix the root cause.

As a personal anecdote, having grown up in such places, people have so many bad experiences with police that they genuinely don't want to call them when their presence might maybe help. So is sending police patrols to maximize the number of arrests and create ever more negative experiences the solution? No. You have to fix the root cause.

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3. alexil+P3[view] [source] 2020-06-22 20:08:20
>>retort+(OP)
"Without more policing, the crime problems get worse"

Do you have a source?

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4. retort+x4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-22 20:11:11
>>sudosy+z3
I'm sorry but I don't take your anecdotes seriously. I've seen too many legitimate uses of police force described as "police brutality" recently to take accusations of police brutality at face value. It seems that people have convinced themselves of police brutality through popular narrative and twisted anecdotes.

Removing criminal elements from communities creates safer communities, which is a prerequisite for people thriving.

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5. unexam+I4[view] [source] 2020-06-22 20:12:18
>>retort+(OP)
I think it's disingenuous to say this in absolute terms. Simply by pointing out that poor people many times can't bail themselves out before a hearing, and suffer all the consequences (like lost job, lost home) that come with that, is proof that the system is at least to a degree stacked against poor people.
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6. devtul+27[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-22 20:20:49
>>retort+x4
duuuuude chillax, if police stop reporting crime, crime will naturally disappear.
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7. danhar+k9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-22 20:28:52
>>retort+x4
When the NYPD did a work slowdown, rates of crime according to their own data went down.
8. antepo+gD[view] [source] 2020-06-22 23:04:17
>>retort+(OP)
In his defense, there are some crimes (like smoking weed) that everyone commits, but that only get prosecuted in places the police decide to patrol.
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