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> Pretty much every decent sized city in the US has a murder rate at least several times greater than any major European city

Nope. As a poster elsewhere in this thread noted, it's less than the top 100 cities in the US. There are a lot more than 100 "decent sized" cities in the US.

>>pdonis+(OP)
That was me, and again "decent sized" is nebulous. Either way, you said:

>certain areas of the US (parts of certain large cities)

So unless we're counting Boise at 220k and ~100 others like it as "parts of certain large cities" then your statement isn't accurate.

>>treis+p7
> unless we're counting Boise at 220k and ~100 others like it as "parts of certain large cities"

Yes. There are a lot more than 100 cities in the US, and a lot of places where people are that aren't cities. My point is that citing one single "crime rate" for the US misrepresents what's actually going on; there are basically two crime rates, the "cities" one (or however you want to label it) and the "everywhere else" one, and only the former is significantly larger than other developed countries.