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So what? Institutions are made of people.

>>banads+(OP)
And the KKK and al Qaeda are unacceptable institutions and there's no problem with generalzing there. Every single member there is a problem simply by being a member. If people uphold an atrocious institution then there's no problem saying they're doing something atrocious.

>>banads+(OP)
So you have the option to leave an institution, which distinguishes it from a population.

When you generalize about a population of people, you're unfairly attributing characteristics to them which weren't decided upon by them (and likely doesn't apply to all of them).

When you generalize about police, you're fairly generalizing about a group of people who have decided to be a part of that institution, have decided to behave in such a way that would not get them kicked out of the institution (ie. they haven't agitated for any significant change in almost every case), and have decided not to leave it with full knowledge and in spite of its abuses.

>>banads+(OP)
But institutions have the ability to enforce behavior in that group.

If these people were really "just bad apples", this wouldn't be a problem anymore, as there have been literal decades to solve this.

See how that's different from a group defined by things you cannot control, like skin color?

I can't blame one person of a certain hue for the actions of a person of that same hue, because they don't share anything in common other than the hue.

Whereas police departments are 100% accountable for the actions of their members.

Today you learned, huh?

>>banads+(OP)
Humans are made of cells but it's not a useful description of us for most purposes.

>>bobdol+v71
>But institutions have the ability to enforce behavior in that group.

You dont think communities of people have the ability to enforce or influence behavior of the people in their community? If you watched the video I posted, or knew anything about psychology, you'd know that to be plainly false.

>>TomSwi+ce1
It is if you actually care to understand human nature and how it is interrelated with the environment; rather than relying solely on surface level observations, like skin color, for example.

>>guerri+q8
Do you honestly think all police are like Al Qaeda? Have you ever known anyone in law enforcement on a personal level? I find similar reactions from people who have never known a gay person before.

>>banads+I67
Yes, that's EXACTLY the same as controlling an officers paycheck. Thank you for pointing out how right you are.

>>bobdol+kE7
Uhh, what? Nowhere in this conversation did we say anything about controlling an officers paycheck you. Please stay on topic.