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1. klyrs+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-19 02:14:13
> Uhhh why? That makes no sense to me.

First off, black people confronting racists about their racism has significant risk of emotional and bodily harm. Even when it's unconscious bias from an otherwise well-meaning person, bringing it up is a risk.

For example, I don't tell my boss to stop staring at my tits. I do my best to grit that one out. He's otherwise an ally, and losing his support would mean losing my job. And winning unlawful termination suit is a mug's game: you might score a few grand, which is taxable income, your employer gets to write it off, and good luck finding a new job with the story "I sued my employer".

As I said before, not every black person wants to be an activist. And why should we expect that of them? If we have that expectation, it's extra work they need to do on top of the work required for their actual job / interests. What you're asking for is tantamount to asking for unpaid overtime. That's a great recipe for enlarging the wage gap, not shrinking it. People who aren't burdened by this crap get to otherwise spend their time and energy on career-boosting side projects, hobbies or other enjoyable activities and their mental health is improved as a result. I'm summarizing what I've read from black activists -- people who have devoted themselves to this. Here's a couple of articles by black authors on the topic. Please read them in an empathetic mindset.

https://www.mic.com/p/being-black-at-work-right-now-means-do...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/17/black-peo...

> I'm not in any "camp".

As I said, that was a gross oversimplification of the situation. But you are absolutely a participant in this society, and you fall somewhere in a gradient spanning the range that I described. On reflection, your assertion that you don't belong to any camp puts you squarely in the third camp: people who are well meaning, and don't see that they're part of the problem. That's an okay place to be. You're showing genuine curiousity about this issue, and you might read up on it and wake up one day with the understanding that you're responsible for taking up the work yourself.

> Nor was I looking into what I need to do in this situation, but rather commenting on ... particularly black people ...

Perhaps you should focus on what you can do about this situation, and not what you think black people are supposed to be doing. Like I said, you can only control your own actions.

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2. mbesto+rkl[view] [source] 2020-06-26 14:28:57
>>klyrs+(OP)
> For example, I don't tell my boss to stop staring at my tits.

And so women who have been "MeToo'd" should just be silent? I don't get it. You're advocating exactly for why people in power continue to oppress, because complacency of victims fuels their power.

> As I said before, not every black person wants to be an activist.If we have that expectation, it's extra work they need to do on top of the work required for their actual job / interests.

And so they'll just leave that up the MLK's of the world? Got it. Thanks for your martyrdom MLK, I'm too busy WORKING!

> You're showing genuine curiousity about this issue, and you might read up on it and wake up one day with the understanding that you're responsible for taking up the work yourself.

I have told you NOTHING about what work I've done to be a better participant in society so why are you commenting on this?

> Perhaps you should focus on what you can do about this situation, and not what you think black people are supposed to be doing.

Perhaps you should too? But that's not the point of my comment and hence why I'm failing to understand your responses. /shrug

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