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1. def8ce+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-17 22:01:19
I'm shocked less by the fact the person was identified and more by the fact the person didn't feel the need to cover up an identifying tattoo or a limited-run t-shirt they left a review for while committing a felony. I'm starting to think criminals are stupid.
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2. presid+j1[view] [source] 2020-06-17 22:07:58
>>def8ce+(OP)
> I'm starting to think criminals are stupid.

It just means we're catching the stupid ones

3. hooray+K3[view] [source] 2020-06-17 22:23:13
>>def8ce+(OP)
>I'm starting to think criminals are stupid.

That is a really dangerous move and doesn't really line up with my experiences. This woman was pretty stupid. She's not a criminal though, she's a massage therapist.

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4. def8ce+s4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 22:28:54
>>hooray+K3
I had my tongue so far in my cheek when I wrote that I may need stitches.

She may not be a career criminal but after she torched a police car she's at least an amateur.

5. Talane+t4[view] [source] 2020-06-17 22:28:56
>>def8ce+(OP)
She doesn't seem to have started the initial fires, so I'm much less shocked. It's not smart, but it was almost certainly a spontaneous act. emboldened by the crowd.
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6. Animal+F4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 22:30:32
>>hooray+K3
Who committed a criminal act. Doesn't that make her a criminal?
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7. rurp+I4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 22:30:52
>>hooray+K3
Wait, what!? How does torching a police car not count as a criminal act?
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8. jethro+B6[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 22:45:41
>>rurp+I4
It's the difference between premeditated and an act of passion. There are tons of people who aren't fighters that leave the house, get drunk then try to start a fight in the street.
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9. throwa+R6[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 22:47:30
>>rurp+I4
There are at least three readings of hoorayimhelping's post:

1. This person is not a criminal in some particular all-encompassing sense of the word. I.e., some people commit one-off crimes of passion while others make a lifestyle/career out of crime. Presuming that the latter are stupid because the former are stupid is dangerous because organized criminals have learned good internet op-sec. That's interesting.

2. Thinking of people who commit crimes as "criminals" and making blanket assumptions about the criminal element is a mistake. That might be a well-trodden critique, but it's interesting enough that there have been some (quite influential) books written around the topic. This seems like the more likely intent. Thinking about how the social phenomena induced by the internet and social media interact with those 20th century ideas about identity and subjectivity might result in an interesting conversation. E.g., suppose torching a cop car was an act of passion and this person's name is now forever associated with a crime of passion. That seems... new and different... relative to 30 years ago. Back then, you could just move somewhere new where no one knew your past; as long as you didn't become a criminal in that new place, you could basically start over. What might be the societal implications of continuing to assign "criminal" as a dominant identity in the age of an internet that never forgets?

3. hoorayimhelping believes that there is no law in the US which prohibits the torching of cop cars.

The first two are charitable interpretations that might result in curiosity-driven conversation (in which you may or may not want to participate). The third.... isn't so charitable and is unlikely to go anywhere.

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10. pwdiss+U7[view] [source] 2020-06-17 22:53:31
>>def8ce+(OP)
According to some prosecutors I know, it is quite common for criminals to post their exploits on Facebook.
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11. jedber+wa[view] [source] 2020-06-17 23:11:46
>>def8ce+(OP)
I know you you meant it tongue-in-cheek, but when I was investigating computer crimes in 2003/4/5, the criminals would often sign their work on the assumption that the police were stupid.
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12. drocer+Za[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:14:35
>>Talane+t4
From the link:

"various videos captured her wearing protective goggles and gloves, taking a flaming piece of wooden police barricade from the rear window of the sedan that was already on fire, and then shoving the flaming wood into the SUV that was not on fire."

Having protective goggles and gloves?

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13. Burnin+tb[view] [source] 2020-06-17 23:19:15
>>def8ce+(OP)
The criminals who get caught are stupid.

The smart criminals rule us.

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14. el_dev+Hb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:20:39
>>hooray+K3
> She's not a criminal though, she's a massage therapist.

Legitimate question: What's your definition of a criminal?

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15. setham+pc[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:27:12
>>Animal+F4
Reminds me: when I was younger, I rear ended the car in front if me. When I recounted the story to my friend’s mom, I said I had a good following distance, to which she said I obviously didn’t. The proof is in the pudding. Same with the “Straight A Student” who insists they can’t have earned a B since they are a Straight A Student. Welp, you did earn the B, so...

There is a lack of accountability and people look for reasons to escape it, not embrace it.

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16. losved+Zc[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:31:45
>>jedber+wa
Heh, like the Wet Bandits.
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17. anonym+0d[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:31:46
>>drocer+Za
Did you forget about pandemic?
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18. sigzer+qe[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:45:18
>>hooray+K3
If she did it, she's a criminal.
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19. ryandr+ye[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:46:35
>>throwa+R6
Whether someone "is a criminal" should have something to do with how much of a regular part of their life it is. Just like someone who smoked a joint once 20 years ago isn't considered a drug user, someone who committed a one-off crime isn't a criminal.
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20. ivalm+Xe[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:49:02
>>drocer+Za
pandemics + police brutality means protective gear is a must!
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21. drocer+3f[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:49:39
>>anonym+0d
Good point. Blood samples of corona virus disease patients frequently show markers of neurological damage.

The defense attorney could try the "Infectious toxic encephalopathy" gambit .

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22. jakema+hf[view] [source] 2020-06-17 23:52:51
>>def8ce+(OP)
I think people put a little too much faith into "safety in numbers" during these riots.
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23. Pfhrea+pf[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:53:54
>>drocer+Za
Pandemic and police use of chemical weaponry makes googles and gloves a pretty standard precaution for attending a protest these days.
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24. elliek+Pf[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:57:27
>>pwdiss+U7
I suspect ego and greed are responsible for catching a lot of people who have committed a crime. They just can’t seem to resist bragging about it and if they can resist bragging about it they can’t resist trying to get away with it again.
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25. sigzer+Xf[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 23:58:26
>>drocer+Za
That was a rational premeditative act. It wasn't "caught up" in the moment.
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26. anonym+bk[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 00:35:54
>>drocer+3f
That was not my point and you understand it.
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27. d2v+ck[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 00:35:59
>>drocer+Za
I went to a protest with goggles after reading about my friends in Philly getting gassed. You don't have to be doing anything illegal for police to gas you. https://whyy.org/articles/eyes-blistering-crawling-on-highwa...
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28. Miguel+bm[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 00:58:42
>>ryandr+ye
We are down pretty deep into pedantry at this point, but... Current definition is that someone who has committed a crime and been convicted is a criminal. If that crime is a felony, they are also a felon. Depending on the state of residence, felons may have voting rights suspended, may be disqualified from jobs, loans, educational grants, etc.

You are right to point out that we usually use the noun "criminal" more to refer to someone that makes a habit of crime or makes their living from crime.

And I'll also add that the word "criminal" is often used to imply someone is subhuman. Possibly subconsciously, but it's common to see people outraged by police brutality only if they think an innocent person is the victim. Things like "no innocent person should be treated that way." I think this is the primary objective of the ever-present ad-hominem attacks such as "well he was no angel."

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29. throwa+jn[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 01:10:47
>>Miguel+bm
I don't think this is "deep into pedantry". I think it's probably one aspect of the most important conversation we need to have about the effect that "organizing the world's information" has on society.

The extraordinary permanence of certain aspects of identity ("criminal", "felon", "rapist", "racist", etc.) in the information age is radically different from how identity has worked for the past 100 years or so. The possibility of "starting over" is gone.

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30. rcurry+Jp[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 01:39:17
>>Burnin+tb
If you’re gonna do a crime, do a complicated crime...
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31. Wealth+ov[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 02:35:30
>>sigzer+qe
Meh, it was just some lawless mafia thug's car; I say we let it slide as she provided a net good to society.
32. tootah+BE[view] [source] 2020-06-18 04:31:50
>>def8ce+(OP)
You don't need to look past the cause they're protesting to see how stupid they are.
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33. Shared+uF[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 04:44:28
>>tootah+BE
Police brutality shouldn't be protested?
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34. antihe+V31[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-18 09:27:05
>>drocer+Za
Pretty standard at protests that have teargas.
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