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‘Hey Siri, I’m getting pulled over’: Records police interaction, sends location

submitted by miles+(OP) on 2020-06-16 21:56:22 | 167 points 55 comments
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8. chrisj+w9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-16 22:56:32
>>banana+X8
The data doesn't seem to back up your claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_...
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10. B4CKla+W9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-16 22:59:14
>>banana+X8
I suggest you give this a listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmgxtcbc4iU

It will be difficult to hear, but it's not as cut and dry as most people are making this out to be.

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15. smnrch+eb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-16 23:08:18
>>chrisj+w9
I mean, wearing a body cam all the time is an overkill. That being said, your link does not prove that. The number of people killed by the police is just the tip of the iceberg. There would be an order of magnitude more people being seriously harmed (paralyzed, blinded, etc.) by the police than killed. There would be an order of magnitude more people mildly harmed (bruises, cuts, chipped tooth, etc.) than than seriously harmed.

By the time you get to incidents like police's violent arrest of SNL's Jay Pharoah [0], complete with knee on the neck (fortunately not long enough to kill him), you have potentially hundreds of thousands of people being affected and treated like this every year.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV5KpbUPeSU

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28. danShu+gi[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-16 23:58:05
>>chrisj+Zf
Yes. You're going to have to direct me to a quote, I don't know what you're referring to. What I see is:

2015:

> A 2015 study found that unarmed blacks were 3.49 times more likely to be shot by police than were unarmed whites. [...] Another 2015 study concluded that black people were 2.8 times more likely to be killed by police than whites.

2016:

> According to The Guardian's database, in 2016 the rate of fatal police shootings per million was 10.13 for Native Americans, 6.6 for black people, 3.23 for Hispanics; 2.9 for white people and 1.17 for Asians. [...] Another study published in 2016 concluded that the mortality rate of legal interventions among black and Hispanic people was 2.8 and 1.7 times higher than that among white people.

2018:

> A 2018 study found that minorities are disproportionately killed by police but that white officers are not more likely to use lethal force on blacks than minority officers.

2019:

> A 2019 study in the Journal of Politics found that police officers were more likely to use lethal force on blacks, but that this was "most likely driven by higher rates of police contact among African Americans rather than racial differences in the circumstances of the interaction and officer bias in the application of lethal force." A 2019 study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) found that blacks and American Indian/Alaska Natives are more likely to be killed by police than whites and that Latino men are more likely to be killed than white men.

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I see exactly one study in this section that disputes the disparity itself, and that study was widely criticized and ended up issuing a correction:

> A 2019 study in PNAS concluded from a dataset of fatal shootings that white officers were not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-white officers [...] The study was widely criticized by other academics, who stated that the study's conclusion could not be supported by the data. [...] PNAS issued a correction to the original article.

I don't see data from the FBI mentioned in the racial disparity section. Maybe I'm missing what you're referring to.

Again though, you don't need to do a complicated study to find the disparity itself. You can literally just add up the number of deaths for each race and then divide by population numbers in the US for black/white communities. You'll get higher per-million numbers for black communities than for white ones. I'm not sure how someone could dispute that, unless you're arguing that the Guardian is under-reporting white deaths or something[0]. If you want to debate the causes behind that disparity, then that's a separate conversation.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/...

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33. sansno+Wo[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 00:43:50
>>rvz+ac
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19529921
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40. rurban+kG[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 03:21:28
>>bb123+Y7
Nope, the law is. Siri wont protect you from being killed. Nor adjusting your behavior. Only the law can be used to overturn this program. But don't hold your breath. They are still killing 4 per day, without any oversight.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/us-police-floyd-protests-c...

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42. hnarn+201[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 07:01:14
>>ninken+Uc
Surely there must be apps that offer this functionality already? I'm not app-savvy enough to come up with any examples but I know many years ago there was a lot of talk about Bambuser.[1]

[1]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bambuser/id963132997

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45. Rumper+I91[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 08:36:25
>>bb123+Y7
Re: the ‘democratisation of surveillance’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance
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46. chrisj+Zh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 10:07:30
>>danShu+gi
You can't look at percentage of population but percentage of who commit crimes.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

> Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and off enders. Th e victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). Th e off ending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000) (table 1)

From the article

> A 2015 study by Harvard professor Roland G. Fryer, Jr. found that there was no racial bias in the use of lethal police force between black and white suspects in similar situations. The study did, however, find that blacks and Hispanics are significantly more likely to experience non-lethal use of force.

> A 2016 study published in the journal Injury Prevention concluded that African Americans, Native Americans and Latinos were more likely to be stopped by police compared to Asians and whites, but found that there was no racial bias in the likelihood of being killed or injured after being stopped

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48. danShu+Fy1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 12:50:17
>>chrisj+Zh1
See my other comment[0], you're making two separate claims here. Why blacks are disproportionately killed by police is a conversation that might be worth having, but it doesn't change the fact that they are disproportionately killed.

As an analogy, a truck driver might be less likely to crash or be killed on any specific drive than I am. However, a truck driver also drives a lot more than I do, so a truck driver is still more likely overall to die in a vehicle crash than I am.

In the same way, even if we lived in a world where blacks were less likely to be killed in an individual police interaction, that doesn't change the fact that a black person is still more likely overall to be killed by a police officer than I am.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23547106

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49. aaronb+5I1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 13:49:43
>>slap+sc
There’s been a good number of responses to this very point over the last 24 hours. Here’s one from a journalist, Daniel Dale, whose perspective I really like because he’s Canadian, and therefore is less wrapped up emotionally in American politics.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/politics/fact-check-trump-oba...

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50. downer+QO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 14:23:12
>>sjogre+H61
I was referring to personal recordings rather than those made by police bodycams.

Police body cams are somewhat widespread. But many on the left here, including BLM apparently, are against them. For example: https://fox17.com/news/local/black-lives-matter-nashville-re...

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