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1. IfOnly+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-15 21:28:13
> vilifying political opponents (the ones that believe in some kind of immigration control and do not support fully open borders)

The only vilification happening here is your misrepresentation of the critics of ICE, many of whom do not advocate for "open borders".

ICE is not equivalent to "border security", which should be obvious when you consider that this agency was only created in 2002.

ICE doesn't even work at the border. That's the Border Patrol (and customs, and the Coast Guard).

ICE exclusively works within the US. Since illegal immigrants have little protection, it acts much like any unchecked police force, at least according to its critics.

There were 1,200 complaints of sexual assault in ICE custody[0], for example. Less than 2% of these were investigated[1], proving the point about them acting "largely unchecked" that I somehow felt the need to qualify with "according to its critics", above, before looking this up.

From 2012 to early 2018, ICE wrongfully arrested and detained 1,488 U.S. citizens, including many who spent months or years in immigration detention.[2]

Since it isn't particularly hard to find illegal immigrants in the US, ICE also has a lot of liberty to decide who to go after. That's a recipe for arbitrary enforcement, and there have been complaints about individuals, families, neighbourhoods, or cities being targeted or a variety of reasons, none of which fit most people's idea of justice, from shakedown collecting money from individuals in exchange for sparing them harassment to cities being targeted after incurring the wrath of the current government.

[0]: https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/immigration-detention-se...

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_E...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_E...

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2. syshum+sd1[view] [source] 2020-06-16 11:26:27
>>IfOnly+(OP)
>>misrepresentation of the critics of ICE, many of whom do not advocate for "open borders".

Almost all the vocal critics of ICE I am aware of are Social Democrats that want Open border, Free Everything for Everyone, and curtailment of capitalist systems. They use ICE as an easy target to push their other agenda which is replacing capitalism with Socialism and open borders

>ICE exclusively works within the US.

Actually they work in 53 nations, and has a active role at many ports of entry but that really is not relevant

>>Since illegal immigrants have little protection, it acts much like any unchecked police force

Given the context around this discussion I would be hard pressed to pain ICE any worse than every day police

Law Enforcement in this nation need MASSIVE reforms, ICE include, as do every level of Law Enforcement.

Police Abuse is rampant and not simply a domain of illegal immigration enforcement.

>>There were 1,200 complaints of sexual assault in ICE custody[0], for example. Less than 2% of these were investigated[1]

lol, your "2 sources" are all the same source... They all reference the same intercept story which is very biased and highlights the problem with Wikipedia today

Further The Intercept does not claim that only 2% of the reports were investigated it says that the OIG only shared investigations on 2% of the cases with intercept as s result of the FOIA request, that does not mean there were not investigations on the other 98% only that the investigations were not released under FOIA. That can be for a number of reasons.

>From 2012 to early 2018, ICE wrongfully arrested and detained 1,488 U.S. citizens, including many who spent months or years in immigration detention.

I would like to know the actual total that spend months or years in detention "many" is a subjective term used to incite an emotional reaction. Not a data driven analysis to understand the scope of the problem

That said 1 is too many as as I have said before we need police reform

Unfortunately we are at a political impasse for any-kind of real accountability reform because the Social Democrats block any reforms that do not involve complete amnesty and open borders including full access to tax payer funded social welfare for all immigrants. That is a non-starter for most people. I will support open borders in the absence of social welfare, or I will support social welfare in the absence of open borders but I will never support both at the same time as that is not economically feasible.

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