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I don’t believe I’ve got it backwards. If Github/Microsoft won’t serve ICE, someone else will. If you want to fix ICE, the political process is what fixes that, not feel good efforts on a single business.

As someone with entities that are registered to do business with the federal government, I’d provide services to ICE, because ICE isn’t the problem: how they’re regulated is the problem. Not providing services to ICE doesn’t solve that.

>>toomuc+(OP)
"If I don't mug this person wandering lost & alone at night, someone else will." - 'someone else will' is not a very good argument or justification for your actions.

>>toomuc+(OP)
> If Github/Microsoft won’t serve ICE, someone else will

I'm sorry but that's an incredibly spineless take. If people stopped having this kind of attitude, then there would be no "someone else".

>>moolco+Hn
I won’t apologize for being realistic.

>>toomuc+Mo
What about personal responsibility? It's possible to be realistic and principled at the same time. "Sure someone else will do it, but it damn well won't be me!". If nothing else it's applying friction to the process of whatever you're disagreeing with.

>>moolco+nq
I focus on the political side the of the equation. You do you, these actions are a waste of time in my opinion.

Not providing version control isn’t going to stop kids from being locked in cages away from anyone they know. Maybe do things that actively fix that.

>>toomuc+4r
> Seek responsibility, not power.

> Be kind, be bold, never yield

> I’d provide services to ICE

>>moolco+4t
Apologies if you believe there’s a conflict in my belief system. I don’t. We’re just arguing over the “how”. If you’re shooting for impact, make sure it’s exceptional.

>>toomuc+(OP)
If Github/Microsoft publicly refuse to serve ICE, they will directly make it harder for other companies to serve ICE, through bad PR and through inspiring workers in other corporations to pressure their own companies to do so.

It is to some extent a symbolic gesture, but symbolic gestures have power in our world, especially when they are done by the powerful.

And of course ICE is part of the problem. Sure, the way they are regulated is also part of the problem, and that also needs to be changed, but the boots on the ground and their direct managers are not blameless. And they are likely to hold full responsibility for some of the horrendous acts being committed, not everything is commanded from on high. Not to mention the criminal negligence displayed in cases like losing track of people's children - that was not an order from somewhere, that is some bureaucrat who should be held personally accountable for failing to do their job right with catastrophic consequences.

>>toomuc+Wx
Pathetic.