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1. mchans+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-15 16:50:20
Civility has already broken down because of the US government’s actions. Schools and other parts of the government are ending their contracts with police. People all over the country and looking hard at their actions and the actions of those companies or other entities they associate with.

When the government is acting this badly the social contract gets weaker and begins to fall apart.

This is just a reaction to those larger forces. Until those larger problems are addressed and the government starts acting more civilized there is no reason to expect or hope that business as usual will continue.

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2. drocer+R6[view] [source] 2020-06-15 17:14:48
>>mchans+(OP)
Like they it did in 1968. Which gave us Nixon and Reagan.
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3. paiute+1b[view] [source] 2020-06-15 17:29:39
>>mchans+(OP)
The U.S. Government does not have police contracts with schools. Police are state, county, or local. The last few weeks have made it clear to me very few people understand our system of gov.
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4. monoca+lc[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 17:34:27
>>paiute+1b
The state, county, and local govs are a part of the US government. The supremacy clause sees to that.
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5. zentig+ag[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 17:50:00
>>monoca+lc
"Part of" certainly does not mean "controlled by". Powers are generally enumerated or reserved to the states. Plus and minus lots of interpretive scotus precedents.
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6. rattra+Ij[view] [source] 2020-06-15 18:02:28
>>mchans+(OP)
That's a good point.
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7. jmeist+7l[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 18:07:33
>>drocer+R6
Both sides are so convinced of their moral superiority that they just can’t empathize with the other or anticipate their reaction. God save this country
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8. monoca+em[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 18:13:09
>>zentig+ag
The US government has a lot of dimensionalities to it. HUD, the Post Office, the parks service, and the US military are all parts of the of even the purely federal government without one "controlling" another, and have fairly different polices between them. State and local orgs fit into the same scheme just fine.
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9. ilikeh+7Q[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 20:43:15
>>paiute+1b
The U.S. Government has had (under the last few Presidents, but not the current one) Consent Decrees to force the police to follow certain ethics guidelines. Obviously, we have always had some problem with police brutality, but at least doing something to reduce it was better than doing nothing while encouraging more of it.
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