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1. baron8+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-13 00:29:13
The “silence is complicit” stuff does really annoy me. Shaming people for not having the same political beliefs is already one thing. But shaming them for having those beliefs, but not sharing them in arenas they’re not comfortable sharing them in is quite extreme.
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2. caseys+6k[view] [source] 2020-06-13 04:13:00
>>baron8+(OP)
This is interesting to consider in combination with the xkcd "showing you the door" free speech comic.

If staying silent is unacceptable and saying something "wrong" is unacceptable, then it's in your own self interest to learn the "acceptable views" (whether you agree or not) and mouth them whenever the Powers that Be demand it.

That's quite twisted.

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3. mshroy+PG[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 09:22:28
>>caseys+6k
I love XKCD, but that strip is philosophically and historically ignorant.

Free speech isn't the First Amendment. Free speech is a broad foundational principle of liberalism, and the First Amendment is just an encoding of this principle in the context of the U.S. government. But go back to Mill's "On Liberty" and you'll find that he was just as concerned about threats to free speech stemming from social disapprobation as those from the government.

Anyway, I prefer this modified version of the strip: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECqxDQGVAAAXUgK?format=jpg&name=...

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4. umvi+6g3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-14 14:41:02
>>caseys+6k
> then it's in your own self interest to learn the "acceptable views" (whether you agree or not) and mouth them whenever the Powers that Be demand it.

Wow, that sounds eerily like 1984:

"In the Two Minutes Hate [Winston] could not help sharing in the general delirium ... Of course he chanted with the rest: it was impossible to do otherwise. To dissemble your feelings, to control your face, to do what everyone else was doing, was an instinctive reaction. But there was a space of a couple of seconds during which the expression of his eyes might conceivably have betrayed him."

Basically, if you have to do that, it means there is some implementation of thought police around you that you are hiding from.

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5. deanCo+jW3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-14 19:29:32
>>caseys+6k
People on hackernews really love taking the current social climate to it's 1984 extremes.

When the "acceptable views" being discussed are stuff like Black people shouldn't get murdered by the police at a disproportionately higher rate accounting for all other factors than White People.

FFS, it's not like there is a public debate about whether we should guillotine Jeff Bezos.

If you're finding yourself having to pretend to agree with the 'acceptable views' of the world today, maybe your views are actually shitty and unacceptable?

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6. caseys+tL5[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 14:20:16
>>deanCo+jW3
Thanks for your analysis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

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