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1. dvt+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-13 00:04:55
I'm so over this political posturing. I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened (remember #OccupyWallStreet?).

People that actually change the world don't need to advertise it on Twitter. I have friends that volunteer in Watts and Compton every other weekend (and have done so for years) that don't need to share it on social media. I can't help but think that this current Twitter slacktivism really diminishes their genuine mission.

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2. sky_rw+K3[view] [source] 2020-06-13 00:37:14
>>dvt+(OP)
My friend, you may not be aware that there is an election in a few months. This chaos will continue to escalate all summer and into the fall. Then once Trump wins re-election your really gonna see some slacktavism.
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3. steveh+X4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:46:32
>>sky_rw+K3
in particular because our president refuses to be eclipsed in newspaper headlines so he's likely to keep doing things that keeps these protests relevant for the next few months. (unlike #occupy)
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4. rodney+C5[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:53:23
>>sky_rw+K3
This. Surprised anyone thinks things will die down soon.
5. _bxg1+N5[view] [source] 2020-06-13 00:54:47
>>dvt+(OP)
The thing is these really are issues that need to be talked about and addressed, and they really have fallen on deaf ears in the past because of lack of popular force. The people in charge just keep posturing, brushing it off, saying "yeah yeah we'll get to it", and waiting for the news cycle to move on. Nothing ever changes.

But the problem is that society at large, especially on the internet, apparently just sucks across the board at anything resembling actual discussion. It seems impossible to both a) give an issue national attention and b) have a remotely civil or productive public conversation about it.

I don't know what to do about it except to say we all deserve each other.

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6. joncra+78[view] [source] 2020-06-13 01:17:59
>>dvt+(OP)
>I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened

I hope we never go back to our lives like nothing happened and I feel a responsibility to make sure I never do.

7. jariel+x8[view] [source] 2020-06-13 01:22:05
>>dvt+(OP)
"I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened"

Unfortunately, there is no going back here - it's partly the issues, but mostly a totally new culture of a) Twitter wars b) a new generation of people feeling that it's their 'duty' to (act out which I often believe lacks context) c) a press and pop culture climate considerably more clicky-baity and divided (just google cnn headlines from the 2000's, way more tame) d) corporate pressure to 'buy into' movements which is only going to really exacerbate the system.

I've said this before to strong disagreement but marketers jobs are to sell you aspiration - when that aspiration moves off the court and into the streets and politics, and you're gadget/shoes/apparel/cars are being sold with politics, it's not only deeply hypocritical, but it's going to come back and bite us.

I don't really see the underlying fundamentals moving in a positive direction.

People might argue that if 'the system were fairer' we wouldn't see this reaction, my response would be that there will always be something to argue about. The NYT was literally calling for 'Paw Patrol' to be cancelled due to indoctrination of children by 'coppaganda'. While this is an interesting idea, I feel there will always be threads to pull upon for people to be angry.

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8. thrwaw+nd[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 02:07:26
>>_bxg1+N5
Sometimes I wonder if answer to all of these problems is to divide lands based on ideology, politics and other factors. People are then given a choice to migrate between them every 5 years or so.

Nations shouldn't be so big and migrating shouldn't be that hard. Just divide and divide until the group of people stop complaining.

Racists can live with racists. Progressives can live with progressives.

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9. chippe+Yd[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 02:14:19
>>thrwaw+nd
This is something I've thought as well, an easy example would be abortion - one group thinks that abortion is literally murdering a child, another thinks that it's an inalienable right that a woman has to preform any operation to her own body. There's no way to make both these people happy at the same time.

There are a lot of logistic issues, though, I doubt this will ever happen.

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10. DenisM+7e[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 02:15:56
>>jariel+x8
Let me offer a counterpoint or two:

First, it's not an accident that this happened two months into the COVID lockdowns. Seattle PD seems to be doing much better than 10 years ago, and yet nothing happened back then and we see lots of protests now. People get more anxious being afraid of the illness and from sitting indoors with 1/8th of the usual social contact, and with unclear job prospects, so they are more likely to act on this anxiety. The summer will turnt to fall, the Woodstock will end, the COVID will recede, the anxiety will subside, and the need to earn money will come front and center again.

Second, the kids will grow up and move on. Some people will never grow up, but it's not the same numbers. The next group of kids will have another cause to fight, for the simple reason that they will not be caught dead practicing anything done by the "old people". In fact a key element of all protests is the desire by the young to distance from the old in order to find their own place under the sun. This dynamic is fueling the protests now, and this same dynamic will undo the protest movement.

I appreciate your point that marketing is more about movements today that it was earlier. Still the capitalism has turned Che Guevara into a T-Shirt franchise, so it can go either way I guess.

It could still be that you're right and I'm wrong, but I think it bears listing all considerations.

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11. DenisM+be[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 02:17:08
>>sky_rw+K3
sky_rw has a good point and the post does not deserve the downvotes.

There very well might be a direct connection between the upcoming election and the protests.

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12. _bxg1+sg[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 02:45:21
>>thrwaw+nd
That just sounds like our current system of states
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13. jariel+tk[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 03:32:21
>>DenisM+7e
I think the COVID point is very salient - there are a lot of people with a lot of spare time.

However - the kids will be replaced by other kids.

'Social Protest' - I believe is actually a form of normal rebellion.

As kids grow and they come into their own identities, at some point, they have to rebel against something. Kids who are abused rebel really early in life. Kids with their own identity rebel in HS. A lot of 'well-raised kids' don't rebel until University - and this rebellion takes a more intellectualized form.

'Youth in Revolt' is perennial, it's metastasizing now because of the possibility of outrage.

That said ... Baby Boomers were considerably more outspoken than their progeny so perhaps whatever comes after Gen Z will be more chill.

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14. dehrma+Il[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 03:53:49
>>DenisM+7e
I'm surprised how little reporting has covered how lockdowns are a contributing factor to the protests. There's pent-up frustration with Trump adding to the anger, and Trump adding to it in reaction.
15. messic+7q[view] [source] 2020-06-13 04:57:30
>>dvt+(OP)
Interesting that you choose Watts and Compton. Almost like you choose two random neighborhoods you believe to be disadvantaged.

How exactly do your friends volunteer in this two places that just happen to show up in Dr Dre songs from the early 90’s?

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16. lightg+pq[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 05:00:21
>>steveh+X4
I’m not American, and I always wonder why it’s always about Trump. The police in the US reports to the mayor, governor, whatever, but not the president. George Floyd was killed in the city where mayor and governor are democrats. In Seattle where CHAZ is mayor and governor are democrats. In New York where police brutally attacked protestors they are also dems. Why Trump is responsible for anything? What Trump is doing exactly?
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17. sky_rw+Gy[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 06:54:21
>>DenisM+be
:shrug: people are mad because they don't want to admit that that Trump still has a real shot. Or they just assume that anybody who even tables the idea is racissss. Oh well.
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18. rumana+HC[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 07:46:08
>>lightg+pq
> What Trump is doing exactly?

He has been doing the same old Trump-y things, such as publicly praising violent crack-down of protests in places like Mineapolis as being "beautiful".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/11/beautiful-...

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19. baryph+sW[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 12:22:19
>>messic+7q
First, he clearly says his friends chose. Second, is it not good enough that they're doing good deeds with any disadvantaged people? Third, these friends may a host of reasons to only return to a couple of places - they may have built relationships with the local residents, for example. And fourth, is every place mentioned in a hip hop song now "privileged" or something?
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20. np_ted+Xw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 17:44:37
>>messic+7q
They are both in LA. It would be a stretch to believe someone volunteers in both of two far flung places ever weekend lol
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21. majani+w72[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 22:36:12
>>thrwaw+nd
You'd face the small issue that forced migration is practically an act of war in most people's minds.
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