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1. mcv+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-12 15:46:36
They apparently also did it in Camden, NJ, and that turned out quite well.

I think the real issue here is: the police want to show that without them, things turn to chaos. Instead, they show that with them, things turn to chaos. Meanwhile, the protesters want to show that without the police, things are peaceful, and they seem to be succeeding.

That's not a great story for people who believe in police brutality, of course.

And yes, if the entire police department believes that they need to use force to dominate the American people, they refuse to stop when ordered to by the civilian government, and resist change, then disbanding the police and starting over with a better organised police force might not be such a bad idea at all.

It's not easy, and it's important to quickly have some alternative to fall back on, but when it's the police itself that's part of the problem, something needs to be done about that.

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2. djsumd+j3[view] [source] 2020-06-12 16:06:08
>>mcv+(OP)
> Camden, NJ

People keep brining up Camden, but in that instance, didn't the State Troopers still maintain control of the area during the transition?

From a political perspective, "disbanding" will most likely mean just making existing cops re-apply for their current roles (like how TVA did mass layoffs and rehires in the 90s).

I'm still convinced actual disbanding, without a security force in the interim, will be straight up disastrous.

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3. devalg+De[view] [source] 2020-06-12 17:04:49
>>mcv+(OP)
>They apparently also did it in Camden, NJ, and that turned out quite well.

This is an appalling misunderstanding of what really happened in Camden. Take a trip there, know what you'll find? Police cars, policemen and police stations. THEY STILL HAVE POLICE! What they REALLY did was a police reboot, essentially fired everyone and rebuilt from the ground up. People who point to Camden to try and support their narrative are dangerously misinformed.

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4. mcv+zF[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 19:43:31
>>djsumd+j3
Some other, less toxic police force during the transition seems totally fine to me. Didn't State Troopers also take over at some point in Ferguson?

I don't know what state troopers in Minnesota or Washington are like, but having them step in during the transition while those cities rebuild healthier police forces, sounds like a reasonable idea.

Though I'm not convinced it will actually be disastrous to do without police, or with dramatically reduced police, for a short period.

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