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1. kennet+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-12 15:38:00
I am rather amused that the same group is simultaneously calling for the tearing down of secessionist monuments and statues, while promoting a secession of their own. The cognitive dissonance is real.
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2. chimer+z[view] [source] 2020-06-12 15:42:16
>>kennet+(OP)
> I am rather amused that the same group is simultaneously calling for the tearing down of secessionist monuments and statues, while promoting a secession of their own. The cognitive dissonance is real.

From the webpage:

> Fundamentally, CHAZ is an occupation of Capitol Hill, not an official declaration of independence.

They are fairly clear that their ultimate goal is neither secession or independence. The area was abandoned by the police in a political move, and CHAZ is occupying it as a statement of how they would like to see the city as a whole run instead.

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3. enumjo+t1[view] [source] 2020-06-12 15:48:05
>>kennet+(OP)
That misses the point. The problem people have with the statues is that they honor people who they feel promoted/protected the subjugation of another group. They’re not taking offense to the act of secession.
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4. mcv+Y2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 15:56:45
>>chimer+z
Not only that, but those secessionist statues being turn down, are about people who lead a violent rebellion against the US in order to protect their ability to enslave people.

This protest is quite the opposite in nearly every possible way.

5. gerbal+e3[view] [source] 2020-06-12 15:58:59
>>kennet+(OP)
> secessionist monuments

You misspelled white supremacist. All of the confederate monuments I know of were built during _CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENTS_ as an expression of power by white supremacist governments and political traditions.

6. comman+Z3[view] [source] 2020-06-12 16:03:09
>>kennet+(OP)
As a die-hard libertarian, I'm amused by a group that's been telling libertarians for decades that we should move to Somalia if we like living without government so much and then creating a purely libertarian social experiment the first chance they get. If this doesn't dissolve into complete chaos it's a vindication of libertarian principles.
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7. orthec+Gi[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 17:19:43
>>comman+Z3
I think you're missing the economic aspect. People don't tell libertarian socialists/communists to move to Somalia. Only libertarian capitalists get told that, and it's because of the perceived notion that companies seeking profit without the regulation of a strongish government resort to some pretty awful things. And there is some great historical precedence for this.
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