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1. narrat+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-12 02:48:25
I think the media has been playing this up like crazy to try and get the alt-right to react. The alt-right consensus, at least on 4chan, is the absolute best thing for the alt-right to do to get the Democratic party to look stupid and inept and invite a voter backlash is to do nothing.
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2. chriss+X7[view] [source] 2020-06-12 04:22:51
>>narrat+(OP)
This jibes with what I'm seeing. Fox News is trying their damndest to get people worked up and generate support for intervention. Amongst my friends (many right-leaning), there is a strong consensus that this is a trap laid for Trump and that the best thing to do for everybody involved is to ignore it and leave it to the Seattle government. If it really is as chill as folks say here, it settles down and is out of the news cycle in a week. If it gets truly bad, the egg is on the face of the mayor and governor for not dealing with it sooner.
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3. sterli+ru[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 09:01:24
>>chriss+X7
If CHAZ is successful, it'll be a template for other protests.. protestors will realize they can push for "autonomous zones" and it can actually happen.. if protests are battles, now land can be won, at least for a while.

I think that has conservatives (and probably neoliberals) pretty freaked, so they want to hit it like Waco, to snuff out the idea.

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4. spoopy+Vw[view] [source] 2020-06-12 09:34:16
>>narrat+(OP)
You thinking 4chan is "alt-right" and they have a consensus is just as ridiculous as facebook boomer/media reactions to CHAZ and it being Mad Max style postapocalyptic.
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5. at_a_r+pZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 14:02:15
>>spoopy+Vw
4chan sort of has a consensus in that it is contrarian by default. If the right was in power (Congress, media, and so forth), they would be left. The contrarian stance extends within itself in a fractal manner, so of course you have people inside objecting to that.

However, the image I cannot stop smiling at is an elongated figure with an FBI cap, glowing green and using a stick to poke at a small ball with the 4chan logo, with the speech bubble "C'mon, do domestic terrorism."

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6. IG_Sem+GZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 14:04:35
>>chriss+X7
I agree to some degree here.

Fox, like every other network CNN MSNBC etc most of the left, is simply looking for eyeballs. Thats not new.

What is new is this sort of thing starting.

While it is great to hear from people near, no one is really reporting the residents / property owners INSIDE the zone.

Are they safe? Are they been harrassed? Are business owners being able to freely go about their business? Are customers able to go to them if protesters are barricaded?

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7. virgil+w71[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 14:54:13
>>spoopy+Vw
4chan certainly doesn't have a consensus, but it sure does have some reliable patterns
8. Capric+Oc1[view] [source] 2020-06-12 15:22:03
>>narrat+(OP)
>>I think the media has been playing this up like crazy to try and get the alt-right to react.

The media already tried this tactic once and failed: with the release of the "Joker" film. Remember all the hysteria about angry white incels? It was as if the mainstream media WANTED a theater to become a bloodbath. But in a lot of the YT comment sections I read the atmosphere was "We're on to these scumbags, everybody just be chill, don't prove them correct."

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9. viro+2d1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 15:23:21
>>sterli+ru
The issue that I think a lot of people are missing is that CHAZ paints a picture of " protests are battles, now land can be won" The American people have proven they are willing to turn a blind eye to nasty(evil) shit being done in their name during war. If CHAZ spreads it makes it easier for the right to paint them as terrorist or a armed rebellion. Its nearly asking for a false flag.
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10. mcv+Le1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 15:33:47
>>sterli+ru
CHAZ seems to be a response to a pretty extreme situation. If you don't want these sort of autonomous zones, just don't create those sort of extreme situations. And I think that's ultimately what everybody wants: for police not to use unreasonable violence to crack down on peaceful protesters and harmless citizens.
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11. bena+bm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 16:18:49
>>at_a_r+pZ
People often mistake "having their own opinion" and "free thinking" with "being in opposition to the mainstream".

A strict contrarian viewpoint is just as conformist as a strict mainstream opinion, it allows someone else to define your opinion.

So I don't think it's as fractal as you imagine. I think what you might be seeing are those with general principles rejecting the contrarian view because the contrarian view is counter to their principles.

Let's say I like chocolate. But the mainstream opinion is chocolate sucks. Currently, I'm a contrarian. I'm against the mainstream opinion. I get on certain boards and rail against how chocolate is disliked by the masses and how they're missing out. Then, the tide shifts and chocolate becomes popular. A portion of my compatriots who claimed to like chocolate, now say it sucks. Because that's the contrarian opinion now. And I say they're missing out because I still like chocolate. Because I like it for reasons other than mainstream opinion of it. So, while not changing my stance at all, I've gone from contrarian, to mainstream, to complaining about the contrarian stance.

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12. plokij+1B1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 17:35:41
>>at_a_r+pZ
> If the right was in power (Congress, media, and so forth), they would be left.

How much power does the right need before they're considered "in power"? They controlled both branches of congress and the presidency until 2018, and have a majority on the supreme court. Fox news is the most popular media platform, and have tremendous (but not full) control over the mainstream narrative.

This as "in control" as a single party gets in the US.

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13. freeon+aF1[view] [source] 2020-06-12 18:03:26
>>narrat+(OP)
Yeah, they don't need a ton of help there. Biden's response is to shoot them in the legs, not the chest! The entire Democratic establishment seems completely unable of taking a moral stance for fear it would offend somebody.
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14. at_a_r+lH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 18:15:31
>>plokij+1B1
You have left out a word perhaps I should have included in all caps: MEDIA.
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15. asdff+eN1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 18:50:40
>>at_a_r+lH1
Whose media is the question. A bit under half of the votes went to Donald Trump 2016, and I bet few in this demographic are listening to NPR just like few who voted for Clinton are watching Hannity. There is this narrative among the right that the vast majority of media is left leaning, but given the numbers and viewership of conservative voices on cable news, talk radio, the internet, and the fact that nearly half the voting block of this country consumes this media and votes R, I don't buy the argument. A lot of the supposedly leftist major media articles I encounter read as firmly centrist or even center right to me at least.
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16. twirli+GW1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 19:45:18
>>at_a_r+lH1
From https://www.foxnews.com/media/highest-viewership-network-his...

"[Fox News] has been celebrating a 44-month consecutive streak as the most-watched network on basic cable and a 218-month streak as the most-watched cable news network, averaging 3.5 million primetime viewers and 2 million total-day viewers, according to Nielsen Media Research."

For terrestrial broadcast television in the US, the pro-Trump Sinclair-owned stations possesses 294 stations for around 75% penetration of total US households.

Also, news-talk stations are right-wing with the exception of NPR and sports.

Therefore, one can conclude the right-controlled media is mainstream media.

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17. plokij+462[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 20:29:44
>>at_a_r+lH1
I mentioned the media. Fox News has tremendous influence on the mainstream conversations/narrative. Not full control, but I don't think that's a requirement for being "in power"
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18. at_a_r+M62[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 20:32:34
>>asdff+eN1
On the other hand, you've got CNN's Donna Brazile leaking debate questions and topics to Clinton's staff ahead of the debate. I'm at work so I don't have it on hand, but someone made a really amazing chart of the various relationships between Obama's staff and CNN's staff. I would have thought it was the work of a kook until I began to look up randomly selected relationships to verify them.

Aside from the LPFM repeater stations, largely used for religious broadcasting, I would say that the radio market has been completely captured by the left.

When it comes to the right, they have Fox for television networks and that's all.

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19. monoca+Vd2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 21:23:57
>>at_a_r+M62
> Aside from the LPFM repeater stations, largely used for religious broadcasting, I would say that the radio market has been completely captured by the left.

That's true for the lower half of the FM dial (aka the public good section that naturally aligns with left leaning ideals), but not the top half or AM.

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