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I'm a pilot. This isn't remotely a fair comparison. There are lots of very complex and nuanced situations in aviation that require judgment calls. People are going to get it wrong sometimes. We're human.

That's a far cry from this situation. There is no "judgment call" here: don't violently shove elderly people to the ground for no reason. If you accidentally do, help them up. If you pass by an elderly person lying on the ground and bleeding, check on them.

There's no "mistake" here.

>>ryanwa+(OP)
> There's no "mistake" here.

I wasn't talking about this specific case though, not sure how you inferred that from my comment that shoving old man was a mistake .

I was talking about a hypothetical case where it was indeed a mistake.

>>domino+F1
I guess I was confused since you commented on this story without mentioning this hypothetical future mistake, bemoaning the fact that "anti-cop sentiment" might prevent officers from admitting their "mistakes" in the future.

>>ryanwa+(OP)
When police willfully break rules, there's a very high likelihood that they'll harm an individual, because the police officers' job is (frequently) about use of force against individuals. When pilots willfully break rules, there's a very marginally increased likelihood that they'll cause an aviation accident or incident, because the pilots' job is about safe aviation.

If you're a passenger on a plane whose pilot is doing something unsafe, you'll probably never know, which is different from if you're a victim of abuse by police (because you'll directly experience the consequences individually directed to you). Nonetheless, the pilot's unsafe behavior also has a real potential to harm you, just in a way that doesn't feel intentional or personal, and in a way that's almost always invisible except in case of an after-the-fact investigation.

There are lots of ways that the analogy breaks down, but I see one where I disagree with you: policing does also have "lots of very complex and nuanced situations [...] that require judgment calls" alongside the situations that are best described as willful abuse and crime.

>>domino+F1
How about we talk about real, actual documented cases of abuses, and then coverups by police instead of veering off into hypotheticals?

>>schoen+43
policing does also have "lots of very complex and nuanced situations [...] that require judgment calls

I completely agree, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just meant to point out that this situation was not one of them.

>>ryanwa+(OP)
It's not a fair comparison. Pilots don't have to deal day in and day out with the sort of hostility and abuse we're seeing here. It's a godawful, thankless job, and I admire those who do it anyway.

>>domino+F1
Great, well in this case, this cop acted violently and aggressively towards a senior citizen, who was killed through that cop's action. Not murder, but definitely manslaughter. If you did that to someone, that's what you would be going to jail for, and rightly so.

>>crafti+Md
Not at all excusing what happened, but was he actually killed? I thought he was taken to a hospital and recovered?

>>colejo+1s
Stable but in serious condition. He can hopefully recover, but the next hours will be decisive. Can still suffer a clot and damages in brain could be permanent.

The policemen attitude in the video is revolting

>>colejo+1s
I apologise, I initially read that he had been killed, later followed up on the article and they had posted a correction that he "easily could have been killed". You are correct!