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1. smsm42+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-04 05:50:47
> you're in a situation where the only people with serious weapons are criminals and police

Isn't this what the administration of virtually every major city have been working for decades to create? So this is an experiment that matches current conditions. Somehow I don't see most folks arguing that we don't really need police also being for unrestricted firearms ownership and repeal of the myriad of barriers that exist between the law abiding citizen and gun ownership right now. So maybe start with that if you want less police?

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2. sneak+a4[view] [source] 2020-06-04 06:32:53
>>smsm42+(OP)
> Somehow I don't see most folks arguing that we don't really need police also being for unrestricted firearms ownership and repeal of the myriad of barriers that exist between the law abiding citizen and gun ownership right now.

Obtaining arms should be, for every single adult, as quick, easy, convenient, and cheap as obtaining a blog.

Many, many of us have been saying that for hundreds of years.

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3. user_0+66[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 06:49:00
>>sneak+a4
blogs haven't really existed for hundreds of years my dude.
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4. Walter+I7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 07:01:37
>>user_0+66
People have been printing blogs for hundreds of years. See "Common Sense".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Sense

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5. wwwwew+E9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 07:18:32
>>Walter+I7
Getting a blog such as "Common Sense" printed in those days was much harder then getting a firearm.
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6. Walter+Yd[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 07:55:19
>>wwwwew+E9
I'm not so sure about that. Firearms in those days were custom made by hand one by one by specialized and highly skilled (i.e. expensive) craftsmen. A firearm was a prized possession, and often a work of art.

A pamphlet might be typeset in an hour by the unskilled printer's apprentice.

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7. smsm42+Po8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-07 06:44:42
>>sneak+a4
> Many, many of us have been saying that for hundreds of years.

Not many enough, apparently. There are many cities where it's literally impossible to own a handgun legally unless you are connected to either law enforcement or one of the political mafias. There are even more places where it's possible but has so many idiotic limitations that the intent is clearly to discourage all but the most determined and evade lawsuits by pointing "yes, you need a form that can be only found in a disused closet behind the door saying 'Beware of the leopard!' - but the form is there, your honor, so no undue burden for firearm ownership!"

And the funniest thing that all these things happen in exactly the same places where they talk about not needing the police anymore.

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8. smsm42+C7a[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-07 23:16:26
>>Walter+Yd
Not in 18th century. You could get a gun then for about month's wage of a skilled worker. Not exactly cheap, and significantly more expensive than now, but not exactly impossible to have even for a skilled worker or a middle-class person. And there are now firearms in that price range, though many common ones are significantly cheaper. Something like a cheap car - not pocket change, and you won't get one unless you need one, and if you aren't rich you probably won't get more than one - but for most people, not out of reach entirely.
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