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1. Sniffn+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-03 23:33:33
I find this silly. It acts as if people are incapable of assessing situations and then selecting the best action based on that situation.

Yes, police have the authority to use violence; that doesn't necessarily mean they have to have some sort of essence of violence that drives them to be violent all the time. Indeed, police in many situations do successfully negotiate situations without employing violence. So, clearly resolving situations peacefully is possible even while maintaining the capability of violence; just, often the police have no particular incentive to do so.

Indeed, you can look at the military; soldiers are also violence workers, and yet they seem to be much better at not being violent than the police are, staying disciplined and not firing until the rules of engagement allow them to, where the police seem to often start shooting as soon as they get a bit scared.

The problem is there's hardly any accountability; the feedback loop is horribly broken. A police offer's incentive ought be to employ violence precisely and only when it is called for. To, y'know, correctly use their judgment to discern in the moment what action is most appropriate. It is far from impossible! But since there's minimal accountability for police, well, that's not what happens.

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2. gowld+W[view] [source] 2020-06-03 23:38:16
>>Sniffn+(OP)
The military aren't police.

Yes, they are pretty good at RoE, and when it's time to shoot, they shoot the hell out of their target. But their job is distinctly not to spend all day in pursuit of individual criminals and apprehending them.

Military tries to avoid contact with criminals until it's fireball time.

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3. Sniffn+y2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-03 23:48:02
>>gowld+W
Sure! The military shouldn't be police, and the police shouldn't be military. My point is just they suffice to demonstrate that it is possible to be a violence worker, and yet employ that violence with discretion; and to say that the police necessarily cannot is expecting too little of them.
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4. jessau+qw[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 04:20:13
>>gowld+W
That isn't police's job either. As Stuart Schrader recently documented on "Intercepted", the average cop makes one felony arrest per year. [0] Most of the time they're doing exactly what we've somehow noticed them doing recently: menacing people who don't have resources to defend themselves.

[0] https://theintercept.com/2020/06/03/the-rebellion-in-defense...

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