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Many of those white people arrested for said looting have been tied back to white supremacists groups who seem to be trying to discredit the protestors.

This is all happening fast so I can't say this is the best source, but: https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arre...

>>adjkan+(OP)
> Editor’s note: St. Paul Mayor and Governor Tim Walz on Sunday backed down from their claims on Saturday that 80% of those arrested for looting were from out of state or out of town. They still stressed that “bad actors” from outside the cities played a significant role in the destruction.

I think this is mostly wishful thinking, by people who are too horrified to admit that their tribe can be doing bad and so blame “outsiders”.

>>adjkan+(OP)
That’s fake news.. The coordinated effort to loot/riot with violent means is backed by Antifa. There is a lot of evidence of crates of bricks “left” at distinct corner locations. More recently, crates of pipe bombs were found in DC.

I wouldn’t so much call them white supremacists but anarchists.

>>adjkan+(OP)
> Signs of any organized effort or even participation in the violence were relatively rare. “I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” said Howard Graves, a research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center who tracks white supremacist and other anti-government extremist groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-...

>>eanzen+J1
That's great; where's your source. Give us something, any kind of specific evidence that points to Antifa; otherwise you're just pissing in the wind like all the other speculators and liars.

>>DarthG+r2
White supremacists or militiamen (that can be specifically identified as such) no, but there seem to be a suspiciously high number of videos showing masked up young white kids who are cleary instigating destruction, and encouraging others to do so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enfo...

How true is all this? We'll likely never know, but it seems odd that the media and FBI seem to have very little interest in this very plausible scenario.

>>eanzen+J1
No:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-finds-no-evidence-of-antif...

>>RcouF1+x1
> I think this is mostly wishful thinking

That's called projection, on your part.

I don't think anybody supporting the protesters is horrified that some of the "legitimate" protesters are looting. They're more horrified by the systematic abuse and lack of accountability that has sparked these protests.

Your insistence on focusing on the violence is a cheap distraction.

>>mister+Z3
In my experience, "masked young white kids who instigate destruction" have been a constant presence at protests for quite a while now, and the same debate about their motivations occurs every single time.

I don't doubt that in some cases, provocateurs and false flag actors exist, but there's definitely a not insubstantial amount of anarchist-leaning folks who are acting genuinely.

The important thing to consider, in my mind, is whether your attention should be focused on a relatively small amount of property damage and looting, or the many, many examples of physical violence against people committed by police. Property damage is almost always a distraction, and is often intentionally used as one.

>>DarthG+r2
> I have not seen

Anecodtal evidence

> said Howard Graves, a research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center

Appeal to authority

Your "source" does not cite sources or factual data, just an observation from someone. Your post and that piece of the NYT article holds no water because of the logical fallacies.

>>mister+Z3
I for one am happy to see the instigators get stopped, scolded and told off, etc. I've seen a clip today where some guy rocks up in a car to set off some fireworks, said fireworks gets yote back in his car. Another kid with his phone out tried to get people to tip a car over, he was hounded off.

Why do protestors have to ensure some bad actors that try to hide amongst them don't take advantage of the situation? Causing destruction for a laugh is what the police is doing already.

>>eanzen+J1
Who / where is antifa? Is it an actual organization or just a blanket statement to turn a group of people into boogeymen with a vaguely ominous sounding name?

>>Cthulh+2e
> Why do protestors have to ensure some bad actors that try to hide amongst them don't take advantage of the situation?

Because the people we're told are responsible for such things (the police, and the media who are supposed to keep them honest) are not doing that job.

>>ryanbr+Ic
> The important thing to consider, in my mind, is whether your attention should be focused on a relatively small amount of property damage and looting, or the many, many examples of physical violence against people committed by police. Property damage is almost always a distraction, and is often intentionally used as one.

That's the very point people are speculating about.