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I wish we had more opportunities to learn about and highlight the kind of tech that could change or strongly affect this sort of narrative.

Tech isn't always the answer, but here we are on HN reading about a frustrating issue, a bunch of spinning wheels in a sense, and we're good at tech as a group.

I don't even know what it would look like, but currently the typical HN community response to this stuff is hyper-perceptive. From "here we go" to "here's what the article says". This alone is far too limited (we're not just here with our popcorn; we want to _do_) and it creates a pattern that can eventually shut out such news because no traction can be gained--what's the point.

IMO we can build communications environments and frameworks that empower ourselves and others to take creative action, even of the sociopolitical type. And if we can't build 'em, we can share and promote the news.

(Some of you are already doing this--thank you, please keep sharing your work)

>>themod+(OP)
What exactly do you want to empower people to do? Loot Louis Vuitton and Walmart in the name of stopping police brutality? This violence isn't good for anybody and needs to stop.

>>themod+(OP)
+10

>>Thoren+p5
If that's where your thoughts are going, maybe I can't help you much; anyway here's something to consider: I'd prefer to keep the outcomes open to all kinds of win-win possibilities. Assuming that those outcomes must involve looting does both of us a disservice. You can do better here. Maybe just leave it at that first sentence?

>>themod+(OP)
Well I just learned about a website today that gives the list of the police who have been sued and their names and records. [1]

I think maybe a better use of the public outrage of cancel-culture might be to direct that call-out energy from celebrities to police that commit manslaughter.

Next step might be getting pictures on such a website.

1. https://www.capstat.nyc/officer/p11154/

>>Thoren+p5
Well, to be able to spot propaganda like the variety you’re spouting right now would be a decent start.

I’m not even sure where to begin worrying about the assets of WALMART AND LOUIS VITTON of all stores over the needs and apparent rage of the local community.

>>themod+(OP)
Contact your local chapter of Black Lives Matter (or a different social justice group if you prefer) -- thats the besr way. The more we technologists can engage directly with the organizations and communities, the higher the odds we will be sble to build something that meets a real need.

>>monadi+mf
Because it's just property, right? No downstream effects on society at all, right?

I'm sure you were out their leading the charge when Justine Damond was shot in the stomach by a cop in Minneapolis, right?

This isn't about race and probably never was. Tragic as it is, looting and riots are going to solve anything. Seriously, if you think that's helpful, then you are the problem. What's happening now is akin to a toddler throwing a tantrum. This behavior won't change anything. It's all virtue signalling until dark when it turns in to chaos.

So how about spouting of some things that will actually make a difference, instead of following the crowd blindly in to the Apple store as you yell, "hands up. don't shoot."

>>alexan+j9
After getting pictures start gluing their mugs onto walls,windows, and doors. Not much different than printing mugshots in papers or on Facebook...

>>barnes+yB1
If people won't take the peaceful protests seriously the protestors that don't get maimed, murdered, or imprisoned will, almost certainly not give up. Instead, as the movement grows, because the problems are getting worse and the cohort growing in number the protests will inevitably get worse until the movement is crippled or succeeds one way or another. Destroying property and looting is a common theme in successful protests. Your casual contempt of the plight of the poor and minority and ignorance of this is telling but not surprising.

>>barnes+yB1
You know people can complain about the way they are treated without needing to come up with a solution, right? Your comment is akin to defending a bully whise response to their victim's pleas to stop bullying them is "make me". Besides, there are a variety of actions and reforms the protesters call for, and just because they may differ, or arent being actively chanted in the streets, doesn't mean they aren't being made. At the very least, I'm sure everyone protesting would agree that they want to see real consequences for uncalled-for police violence going forward, instead of the current system which has failed in this regard. You may disagree with that solution but to argue it isn't being proposed at all is just wrong. If you haven't seen the proposals people are making, you aren't paying attention.