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1. lostms+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-02 19:26:07
The first one is concerning, but the incident appears to be resolved now (?).

The second one does not seem like a major problem to me, as the police might not know a random filming guy showing some piece of paper to be an actual reporter, rather than just a friend of the rioters filming their action for YouTube. It seems it also was resolved.

Unless there's an easy way for police to make a credible determination if the media badge is valid, I would count it as an honest mistake with no major consequences.

Again, this does not support the implication of the title, that police picked journalists intentionally, and more supports my point that journalists were caught in the process.

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2. xedeon+43[view] [source] 2020-06-02 19:38:17
>>lostms+(OP)
Even after identifying themselves with their press credentials? Come on.
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3. klyrs+M4[view] [source] 2020-06-02 19:44:57
>>lostms+(OP)
That's two examples, literally the first two hits of an obvious search. Officials are acknowledging that these are wrongful arrests, why can't you?

There's 110 cases mentioned in this article. Instead of demanding that we spoon-feed you evidence, please continue looking into the evidence. Because there's tons of it and you know how to find it.

> The first one is concerning, but the incident appears to be resolved now (?).

Sure. Call it resolved. That does not mean that it didn't happen the way that it's being described.

> Again, this does not support the implication of the title, that police picked journalists intentionally...

This is a really weird point to get hung up on, given that the title of the original article is "U.S. police have attacked journalists more than 120 times since May 28". Where does it say "intentional"? I can't decide if this is a strawman or goalpost shifting, but either way your approach to this conversation is odious.

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4. xedeon+C7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 19:57:17
>>klyrs+M4
It's also still trending up. It was 192 a few hours ago, now it's up to 204.

Source:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zk9oFDJ3Ocbz80Z1ISSW...

https://twitter.com/uspresstracker

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5. lostms+Qs[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 22:05:44
>>klyrs+M4
> Sure. Call it resolved. That does not mean that it didn't happen the way that it's being described.

I am not arguing if the events are misstated. I will continue calling it resolved, as crew took the apology and does not seem to want anything else. So why bring it up again?

> This is a really weird point to get hung up on, given that the title of the original article is "U.S. police have attacked journalists more than 120 times since May 28". Where does it say "intentional"? I can't decide if this is a strawman or goalpost shifting, but either way your approach to this conversation is odious.

This whole discussion is a subthread of a comment, that the title might be misleading, because for many it will imply intent to attack journalists specifically.

> Officials are acknowledging that these are wrongful arrests, why can't you?

If you want a serious talk, we should use proper legal terms. "Wrongful arrest" definitely does not apply to the second of two cases, and in the official statement that wording was not used. They did apologize for making a mistake, which happens. But it is a mistake permitted by the law due to special circumstances (e.g. a riot).

> please continue looking into the evidence. Because there's tons of it and you know how to find it.

I am not making extraordinary statements, to which I consider "police intentionally focus journalists".

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6. lostms+At[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 22:10:29
>>xedeon+43
The comment you are replying to addresses this:

> Unless there's an easy way for police to make a credible determination if the media badge is valid, I would count it as an honest mistake with no major consequences.

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7. klyrs+Ri1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-03 05:35:18
>>lostms+Qs
Tell me that this isn't intent.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isPkpZehssY

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8. klyrs+9e2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-03 14:32:10
>>lostms+Qs
https://www.voanews.com/press-freedom/police-shove-make-ap-j...
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9. lostms+W44[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 00:20:51
>>klyrs+9e2
From that article it is very clear police wanted everyone off, and the reporters thought they needed special treatment.

Police did not single them out because they are reporters.

Legality I am unaware, but why would you assume police knew that matter worse than the reporters?

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