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1. colech+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-02 18:40:02
Some people say police attacking journalists are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing.

Some people say protestors becoming violent, vandalizing, and looting are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing.

Really similar thought processes go into those two, usually by people you can sort into camps of opposing worldviews. They're both right and both wrong, but it's surprising how similar the lines of thought are and how people can't see the other side is thinking just the same way.

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2. Pfhrea+a1[view] [source] 2020-06-02 18:44:18
>>colech+(OP)
One of those groups has access to military hardware, live ammunition, and legal (or cultural) protections from prosecution.

It's dangerously to boil down the arguments from both sides and say, "Look, these two things are the same!" because even if both sides were saying, "It's a few bad apples", the implications of that would be wildly different.

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3. colech+D5[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 19:06:23
>>Pfhrea+a1
It's unfortunately not an easy task, getting people to see a whole issue and not just their own interpretation.

Whatever your side, have empathy for the people you oppose and try to understand their failings and mistakes. Without that, progress and improvement are nearly impossible.

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4. wnoise+ng[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 19:50:58
>>Pfhrea+a1
One of these groups could in theory arrest their bad apples. The other cannot.
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5. Pfhrea+tw[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 21:29:41
>>wnoise+ng
Or, at the absolute minimum, fire them.
6. Mouse4+L41[view] [source] 2020-06-03 01:22:55
>>colech+(OP)
One of these groups is capable of violating our right to free speech, our right to assemble, and our right to a trial by jury. The other is not.

No one is condoning looting - in fact, it's just as frustrating for me in that it's distracting from the message. But let's not forget what the (much, much) bigger problem is. I also believe that various bad-faith actors (police, conservatives) are using the looting to distract from the fact that the police have systematically deprived us of our rights with no recourse.

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