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1. saagar+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-01 21:23:38
Ok, I think I agree with that specific case, but I think we can try broadening it: should there be external consequences if I and someone else discuss something?
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2. danhar+p4[view] [source] 2020-06-01 21:44:58
>>saagar+(OP)
Are you planning a murder?

Lets cut to the chase. Just because we cannot decide right now what is acceptable or not for all possibilities in all contexts doesn't mean we cannot make guidelines and use our discretion in context. All rules, all laws, all prescriptions and otherwise are limited, imperfect judgments that we can adapt to a complex world.

Indeed, it will very much be possible, like with every other rule, law or prescription to misapply guidelines about speech, harmful or otherwise. Mistakes can be made and they should be righted when they are recognized. Given the absolute transformation of speech in the past 30 years in our world we are very much going to make a lot of new mistakes that in retrospect will be seen as foolish. That's ok, we have to figure things out somehow.

Most people would agree that this is a reasonable state of affairs for all the many ways we deliberate and compromise about how society should be run. But when we talk about speech in praticular, its effects, when and where it's appropriate, when it can and should be limited, a certain kind of person who will obstinately and resolutely refuse any such nuance comes swarming out. For example, the kind of person who thinks that it can only be called free speech if it's completely unbridled. As if every right has to be absolutely limitless in order for it to be considered a right.

You're probably not that kind of person. What would you like to discuss?

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3. saagar+A5[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 21:52:06
>>danhar+p4
> Are you planning a murder?

I am not, but personally I think planning to commit a crime should not be a crime until you act on it and it becomes "attempted".

> For example, the kind of person who thinks that it can only be called free speech if it's completely unbridled. As if every right has to be absolutely limitless in order for it to be considered a right.

Yes, I think that would be counterproductive. I think the discussion should try to find where this line is, and in this specific case, if platforms have any additional duties aside from dealing with what would be actually illegal. On this front, I think the problem is less about what additional kinds of speech should be regulated, but more towards the ability on social networks to basically force yourself in front of other people who don't want to interact with you, something which I don't consider a right at all.

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