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1. forgot+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-05-31 18:14:05
The data may still be there, it just looks like it's gone.
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2. okamiu+T[view] [source] 2020-05-31 18:20:49
>>forgot+(OP)
Blur is in effect a lowpass filter on the image. The high frequency information is gone. Reconstruction based on domain knowledge, like AI methods etc is unlikely to be able to reconstruct the distinguishing features between people enough to avoid false positives when used to search for similar people.

Then again, maybe groups of people can be associated together, and a poor match is good enough given other clues.

So, much better to be safe than sorry.

I'm not sure if I had a particular good point to make, other than that blurring does remove information that cannot easily be reversed. You can probably make very convincing reconstructions, but they might not look like the original person.

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3. radars+E4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-05-31 18:53:04
>>okamiu+T
> The high frequency information is gone

diminished in power.

It's only gone if it goes below the quantization threshold. Depends on the filter.

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4. thr0wa+X8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-05-31 19:25:39
>>okamiu+T
Blur deconvolution is not exactly a new method. Easy to find examples of reconstruction from blurred images. Eg, https://www.instantfundas.com/2012/10/how-to-unblur-out-of-f...
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5. pizza+9x[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-05-31 22:27:24
>>okamiu+T
I mean, if you have a prior probabilistic model for what a face looks like, you could combine that with standard deconvolution and get a scary good reconstruction I imagine
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6. okamiu+cd2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 15:56:15
>>radars+E4
True. I think the reasonable assumption would be a low-pass filter that removes high frequencies altogether. A gaussian filter wouldn't be a particularly good idea.
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7. okamiu+9f2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 16:06:58
>>thr0wa+X8
I don't when de-blurring would be a novel idea. I think newer methods that use machine learning can produce very good results. But the math of it is much older than any computer implementation.

If you remove high frequency details, you in effect remove distinguishing features. That it is possible to create an absolutely convincing high-detail image that if blurred, gives the same "original" blurred image doesn't mean you have the correct deblurred image.

With not too fancy methods, I'm pretty sure you can make a blurred image identify as any multiple people.

I don't think this is a controversial statement either. In any case, this is a tangential discussion, since blurring to hide identities is a flawed method to begin with. With video recording, tracking, grouped individuals, etc, I'm sure reconstruction with good databases of likely subjects can have some surprising accuracy. So, better to avoid it altogether.

That said, one image, sufficiently blurred with a proper low-pass filter (i.e not a softer gaussian type, but one that just removes frequency ranges altogether), will absolutely not contain information to identify someone. The information literally isn't there. A large number of people are an equally good match, and then no one is. But, since combined with other methods I mentioned, it's a bad idea, then, yes, it's a bad idea.

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8. okamiu+Gs2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 17:07:07
>>pizza+9x
You can get a scaryly real like looking high detailed image that blurs to something really close to the original blurred image. Yet, it won't look like the original image, and won't identify the person.
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